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Call it logical fallacy, but just because it's hard [for you] to find doesn't mean it's not going on. I used to work with multiple ex-vice detectives. They had

Call it logical fallacy, but just because it's hard [for you] to find doesn't mean it's not going on. I used to work with multiple ex-vice detectives. They had some seriously harrowing stories about the shit they routinely found on motel raids. If you think actual child sex slavery is "relatively hard to find," come visit Georgia. It's only been made hard to find because of FOSTA-SESTA; such services used to be advertised in plain English on Backpage. https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/news/press-releases/eleven-recoveries-of-juveniles-71-arrested-in-georgia-as-part-ofnational-law-enforcement-operation-targeting-commercial-child-sex-trafficking https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/news/pr... https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/31-arrested-in-georgia-as-part-of-huge-child-exploitation-ring https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/31-arrested-in-georgia-as-p...

beebmam 3y ago
I agree with you. But what do you think about organizations that use a facade of taking down child sex traffickers to cover up the fact that they use virtually all their resources to doxx self-employed adult sex workers?
Hizonner 3y ago
That's totally irrelevant. I didn't say that it didn't exist. Even if it WERE being advertised openly, there'd still be less of it around than plain old adult prostitution. And as you point out it's NOT being advertised openly. So it is in fact relatively hard to find. Therefore these guys go for the low-hanging fruit, because as far as they're concerned all prostitution is human trafficking (one of them says exactly that in the article). In their propaganda, it's in their interest to talk as if they were going after children in bondage... except, of course, when they give a count of their cases. That number is going to include everybody.
miracle2k 3y ago
These links are weak evidence that this is a wide-spread problem. Indeed, they arguably lack evidence for even the existence of human trafficking. > https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/news/press-releases/eleven-recoveries-of-juveniles-71-arrested-in-georgia-as-part-ofnational-law-enforcement-operation-targeting-commercial-child-sex-trafficking https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/news/pr... 48 of the 71 individuals identified (and having their names published online) are female adult sex workers. No claims are being made that any were victimized. 10 are crimes related to children, of those, 7 are "enticement", which may be LE setups. Certainly, no one being trafficked into motel rooms here. We don't have details on the "11 juveniles recovered", but they are more like a 17y at risk of homelessness than what one would traditionally imagine to be "child sex slavery". It's also unclear if they are being helped by this recovery, or if you'll find their name appear on the arrest list for prostitution by next year's "human trafficking operation". > https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/31-arrested-in-georgia-as-part-of-huge-child-exploitation-ring https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/31-arrested-in-georgia-as-p... What this article actually describes are people arrested for possession of CSAM. No claim is made that any victim was found during any motel raids. There is this: > Seven of those arrested in Georgia traveled for the purpose of meeting and having sex with a minor. But the phrasing makes it pretty reasonable to assume they were meetings setup by law enforcement.

beebmam 3y ago

I agree with you. But what do you think about organizations that use a facade of taking down child sex traffickers to cover up the fact that they use virtually all their resources to doxx self-employed adult sex workers?

Hizonner 3y ago

That's totally irrelevant. I didn't say that it didn't exist. Even if it WERE being advertised openly, there'd still be less of it around than plain old adult prostitution. And as you point out it's NOT being advertised openly. So it is in fact relatively hard to find. Therefore these guys go for the low-hanging fruit, because as far as they're concerned all prostitution is human trafficking (one of them says exactly that in the article). In their propaganda, it's in their interest to talk as if they were going after children in bondage... except, of course, when they give a count of their cases. That number is going to include everybody.

miracle2k 3y ago

These links are weak evidence that this is a wide-spread problem. Indeed, they arguably lack evidence for even the existence of human trafficking. > https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/news/press-releases/eleven-recoveries-of-juveniles-71-arrested-in-georgia-as-part-ofnational-law-enforcement-operation-targeting-commercial-child-sex-trafficking https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/news/pr... 48 of the 71 individuals identified (and having their names published online) are female adult sex workers. No claims are being made that any were victimized. 10 are crimes related to children, of those, 7 are "enticement", which may be LE setups. Certainly, no one being trafficked into motel rooms here. We don't have details on the "11 juveniles recovered", but they are more like a 17y at risk of homelessness than what one would traditionally imagine to be "child sex slavery". It's also unclear if they are being helped by this recovery, or if you'll find their name appear on the arrest list for prostitution by next year's "human trafficking operation". > https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/31-arrested-in-georgia-as-part-of-huge-child-exploitation-ring https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/31-arrested-in-georgia-as-p... What this article actually describes are people arrested for possession of CSAM. No claim is made that any victim was found during any motel raids. There is this: > Seven of those arrested in Georgia traveled for the purpose of meeting and having sex with a minor. But the phrasing makes it pretty reasonable to assume they were meetings setup by law enforcement.