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Sure and we can fix computer security by confiscating all computers. Not much of a realistic fix, is it?

Guvante 3y ago
Not comparable. Driving isn't intrinsic. Transportation is important but has multiple solutions.
dymk 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_transit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_transit
- brightlancer 3y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand Mass transit will NOT reduce auto transit: any driver who chooses to take mass transit will be replaced by a new driver on the road.
  - dymk 3y ago
    Go read the page you just linked, but more closely. Induced demand is relevant to adding more car lanes, not dedicated bus lanes and other off-grade transit. Civilized countries already solved this problem.
    - iggldiggl 3y ago
      Freed-up capacity is freed-up capacity, no matter whether it was created by building an additional lane or by motivating some people to switch to alternative modes of transport. If enough people switch to public transport to noticeable reduce congestion, the reduced congestion makes driving more attractive again, so some people will switch back to driving, or people who used to drive anyway will now make longer trips, etc. So if you're just building out transit while keeping road capacity the same (less common with dedicated bus lanes or light rail, because space for those is often created by converting former car lanes, but with "other off-grade transit" modes you need to make a conscious effort of reducing road capacity if reduced car usage is your goal), it's entirely possible that public transport use increases, while passenger miles travelled by car remain the roughly same long-term.
zach_miller 3y ago
Decrease, not eliminate. Even for computers. Do light bulbs really need computers? If not, why increase my network’s attack surface area? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191023075139.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191023075139.h...

Not comparable. Driving isn't intrinsic. Transportation is important but has multiple solutions.

dymk 3y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_transit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_transit

brightlancer 3y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand Mass transit will NOT reduce auto transit: any driver who chooses to take mass transit will be replaced by a new driver on the road.
- dymk 3y ago
  Go read the page you just linked, but more closely. Induced demand is relevant to adding more car lanes, not dedicated bus lanes and other off-grade transit. Civilized countries already solved this problem.
  - iggldiggl 3y ago
    Freed-up capacity is freed-up capacity, no matter whether it was created by building an additional lane or by motivating some people to switch to alternative modes of transport. If enough people switch to public transport to noticeable reduce congestion, the reduced congestion makes driving more attractive again, so some people will switch back to driving, or people who used to drive anyway will now make longer trips, etc. So if you're just building out transit while keeping road capacity the same (less common with dedicated bus lanes or light rail, because space for those is often created by converting former car lanes, but with "other off-grade transit" modes you need to make a conscious effort of reducing road capacity if reduced car usage is your goal), it's entirely possible that public transport use increases, while passenger miles travelled by car remain the roughly same long-term.

zach_miller 3y ago

Decrease, not eliminate. Even for computers. Do light bulbs really need computers? If not, why increase my network’s attack surface area? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191023075139.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191023075139.h...