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> “I fought the worst of the worst: ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban,” Skull Games president and former Delta Force soldier Jeff Tiegs has said. “But the adversary I

> “I fought the worst of the worst: ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban,” Skull Games president and former Delta Force soldier Jeff Tiegs has said. “But the adversary I despise the most are human traffickers.” Tiegs has told interviewers that he takes “counterterrorism / counterinsurgency principles” and applies them to these targets. I agree with this. Human trafficking is a nice way of saying slavery. Human traffickers are some of the worst criminals on earth and I'm very happy that the counterintelligence techniques we've developed are used against them. > The attempt to merge computerized counterinsurgency techniques with right-wing evangelism has left some Skull Games participants uncomfortable. One experienced attendee of the January 2023 Skull Games was taken aback by an abundance of prayer circles and paucity of formal training. However, this is cultish stuff. It seems to me that Tiegs' statement above is cover for what seems to be a religio-political organization with overarching goals. It co-opts the good intentions of decent human beings who oppose slavery and sexual abuse into a situation that seems pretty exploitative on its own. Despicable.

Natsu 3y ago
This article is weird. It goes on an on about things like QAnon, 9/11, etc. that are simply not connected to anything and exist only to flavor the article. It says this harms people... but provides one random quote and no real substantiation of that. And the 'harm' seems to be that... someone might get punished for breaking the law? It's also not clear what they think the solution is here, ignore a child being prostituted online because they might not be a sex slave to a cartel? Sure, advertising under certain emojis or whatever may not be "statistically significant" according to some report in terms of whether someone is trafficked, but if there's a child prostitute, maybe it's not a bad thing if someone helps the police go make sure she's not literally a child sex slave?
Hizonner 3y ago
> Human traffickers are some of the worst criminals on earth ... which is why it's so valuable to some people to expand the definition of "human trafficking" beyond ACTUAL human trafficking. Right at the moment, if you hear the phrase "human trafficking" in some random place, especially used by somebody who's asking for money, power, or support of whatever kind, there seems to be about a 95 percent chance it's being used to refer to something that is NOT human trafficking as understood by normal people.
- Natsu 3y ago
  Someone going after people keeping child sex slaves doesn't really seem to be stretching the definition of human trafficking.
  - Hizonner 3y ago
    If you read the article, you'll see some TALK about child sex slaves. The only evidence you'll see of any ACTION is doxxing self-employed adult prostitutes. That's probably because actual child sex slavery is relatively hard to find.
    - jstarfish 3y ago
      Call it logical fallacy, but just because it's hard [for you] to find doesn't mean it's not going on. I used to work with multiple ex-vice detectives. They had some seriously harrowing stories about the shit they routinely found on motel raids. If you think actual child sex slavery is "relatively hard to find," come visit Georgia. It's only been made hard to find because of FOSTA-SESTA; such services used to be advertised in plain English on Backpage. https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/news/press-releases/eleven-recoveries-of-juveniles-71-arrested-in-georgia-as-part-ofnational-law-enforcement-operation-targeting-commercial-child-sex-trafficking https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/news/pr... https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/31-arrested-in-georgia-as-part-of-huge-child-exploitation-ring https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/31-arrested-in-georgia-as-p...
      - beebmam 3y ago
        I agree with you. But what do you think about organizations that use a facade of taking down child sex traffickers to cover up the fact that they use virtually all their resources to doxx self-employed adult sex workers?
      - Hizonner 3y ago
        That's totally irrelevant. I didn't say that it didn't exist. Even if it WERE being advertised openly, there'd still be less of it around than plain old adult prostitution. And as you point out it's NOT being advertised openly. So it is in fact relatively hard to find. Therefore these guys go for the low-hanging fruit, because as far as they're concerned all prostitution is human trafficking (one of them says exactly that in the article). In their propaganda, it's in their interest to talk as if they were going after children in bondage... except, of course, when they give a count of their cases. That number is going to include everybody.
za3faran 3y ago
He has quite the gall as well. What did he expect the Afghanis to do, roll over and let a foreign invader come in an wander in their home lands free without consequence, with his gang raping, stealing, and killing? What a load of ...

Natsu 3y ago

This article is weird. It goes on an on about things like QAnon, 9/11, etc. that are simply not connected to anything and exist only to flavor the article. It says this harms people... but provides one random quote and no real substantiation of that. And the 'harm' seems to be that... someone might get punished for breaking the law? It's also not clear what they think the solution is here, ignore a child being prostituted online because they might not be a sex slave to a cartel? Sure, advertising under certain emojis or whatever may not be "statistically significant" according to some report in terms of whether someone is trafficked, but if there's a child prostitute, maybe it's not a bad thing if someone helps the police go make sure she's not literally a child sex slave?

Hizonner 3y ago

> Human traffickers are some of the worst criminals on earth ... which is why it's so valuable to some people to expand the definition of "human trafficking" beyond ACTUAL human trafficking. Right at the moment, if you hear the phrase "human trafficking" in some random place, especially used by somebody who's asking for money, power, or support of whatever kind, there seems to be about a 95 percent chance it's being used to refer to something that is NOT human trafficking as understood by normal people.

Natsu 3y ago
Someone going after people keeping child sex slaves doesn't really seem to be stretching the definition of human trafficking.
- Hizonner 3y ago
  If you read the article, you'll see some TALK about child sex slaves. The only evidence you'll see of any ACTION is doxxing self-employed adult prostitutes. That's probably because actual child sex slavery is relatively hard to find.
  - jstarfish 3y ago
    Call it logical fallacy, but just because it's hard [for you] to find doesn't mean it's not going on. I used to work with multiple ex-vice detectives. They had some seriously harrowing stories about the shit they routinely found on motel raids. If you think actual child sex slavery is "relatively hard to find," come visit Georgia. It's only been made hard to find because of FOSTA-SESTA; such services used to be advertised in plain English on Backpage. https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/news/press-releases/eleven-recoveries-of-juveniles-71-arrested-in-georgia-as-part-ofnational-law-enforcement-operation-targeting-commercial-child-sex-trafficking https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/atlanta/news/pr... https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/31-arrested-in-georgia-as-part-of-huge-child-exploitation-ring https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/31-arrested-in-georgia-as-p...
    - beebmam 3y ago
      I agree with you. But what do you think about organizations that use a facade of taking down child sex traffickers to cover up the fact that they use virtually all their resources to doxx self-employed adult sex workers?
    - Hizonner 3y ago
      That's totally irrelevant. I didn't say that it didn't exist. Even if it WERE being advertised openly, there'd still be less of it around than plain old adult prostitution. And as you point out it's NOT being advertised openly. So it is in fact relatively hard to find. Therefore these guys go for the low-hanging fruit, because as far as they're concerned all prostitution is human trafficking (one of them says exactly that in the article). In their propaganda, it's in their interest to talk as if they were going after children in bondage... except, of course, when they give a count of their cases. That number is going to include everybody.

za3faran 3y ago

He has quite the gall as well. What did he expect the Afghanis to do, roll over and let a foreign invader come in an wander in their home lands free without consequence, with his gang raping, stealing, and killing? What a load of ...