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Insignificant on many levels. If we should care for that we should stop all fossil fuel consumption right now, stop eating meat, and most importantly, stop putt

Insignificant on many levels. If we should care for that we should stop all fossil fuel consumption right now, stop eating meat, and most importantly, stop putting glass windows into our cute buildings. Why are these questions always in wind turbine posts before anything els?

mirko22 3y ago
Cos some people care about birds? How does eating meat factor into this?
- erulabs 3y ago
  Because ostensibly global warming and climate change is of far more existential threat than localized turbines. Wind power could possibly save all birds, at the cost of some birds. It’s similar to when a self driving car gets into an accident - all hand wringing and no looking at broader statistics.
- thinkcontext 3y ago
  Most people who bring up birds wrt wind turbines don't care about birds, eg Donald Trump.
- adrianmonk 3y ago
  Well, if the meat is chicken or turkey...
canadianfella 3y ago
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Qem 3y ago
> Why are these questions always in wind turbine posts before anything els? Because it's better to worry about it and try to mitigate at the beginning, than wait until there is too much inertia, sunken costs, vested interests and institutional pushback. Some things become too hard to fix if you start wrong.
el_benhameen 3y ago
Folks who worry about this have an excellent outlet for their concerns: don’t have outdoor cats, and donate and work to spay and neuter feral outdoor cats. They are orders of magnitude more destructive to the bird population than wind turbines will ever be.
windows2020 3y ago
If wind turbines were the number one bird killer, wouldn't figuring out the best color to paint the blades or other mitigation strategies be worth it?
- tedunangst 3y ago
  There will always be a number one bird killer, unless no birds die ever.
- mig39 3y ago
  Do wind turbines kill more birds than cats?
  - moffkalast 3y ago
    Looking at this source [0] they kill about as many birds in a year as we eat chickens in a week, i.e. ~1 million. 7 times as many are killed by cell towers, 80x as many by cars, and up to 1000x as many by cats. Maybe they should put cat ears on turbines and people would be fine with them. [0] https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/renewables/weekly-data-how-many-birds-are-really-killed-by-wind-turbines/ https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/renewables/weekly-data-how...
- matkoniecz 3y ago
  > If wind turbines were the number one bird killer They are not.
- nerdbert 3y ago
  They're not even the number ten bird killer.

mirko22 3y ago

Cos some people care about birds? How does eating meat factor into this?

erulabs 3y ago
Because ostensibly global warming and climate change is of far more existential threat than localized turbines. Wind power could possibly save all birds, at the cost of some birds. It’s similar to when a self driving car gets into an accident - all hand wringing and no looking at broader statistics.
thinkcontext 3y ago
Most people who bring up birds wrt wind turbines don't care about birds, eg Donald Trump.
adrianmonk 3y ago
Well, if the meat is chicken or turkey...

canadianfella 3y ago

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Qem 3y ago

> Why are these questions always in wind turbine posts before anything els? Because it's better to worry about it and try to mitigate at the beginning, than wait until there is too much inertia, sunken costs, vested interests and institutional pushback. Some things become too hard to fix if you start wrong.

el_benhameen 3y ago

Folks who worry about this have an excellent outlet for their concerns: don’t have outdoor cats, and donate and work to spay and neuter feral outdoor cats. They are orders of magnitude more destructive to the bird population than wind turbines will ever be.

windows2020 3y ago

If wind turbines were the number one bird killer, wouldn't figuring out the best color to paint the blades or other mitigation strategies be worth it?

tedunangst 3y ago
There will always be a number one bird killer, unless no birds die ever.
mig39 3y ago
Do wind turbines kill more birds than cats?
- moffkalast 3y ago
  Looking at this source [0] they kill about as many birds in a year as we eat chickens in a week, i.e. ~1 million. 7 times as many are killed by cell towers, 80x as many by cars, and up to 1000x as many by cats. Maybe they should put cat ears on turbines and people would be fine with them. [0] https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/renewables/weekly-data-how-many-birds-are-really-killed-by-wind-turbines/ https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/renewables/weekly-data-how...
matkoniecz 3y ago
> If wind turbines were the number one bird killer They are not.
nerdbert 3y ago
They're not even the number ten bird killer.