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> huge nuisance on the bike paths because they're faster than everybody else I doubt this, there is a huge range of people traveling at different speeds, from

> huge nuisance on the bike paths because they're faster than everybody else I doubt this, there is a huge range of people traveling at different speeds, from road bike users, to ebike users, to kids and parents. Why pretend everyone is doing the same speed?

murderfs 3y ago
"Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?" - George Carlin
crote 3y ago
I think you are seriously underestimating how fast recumbent bikes go. They can reach 40-50 km/h without too much effort, compared to the average cyclist going about 20 km/h. In Europe e-bikes are separated into two categories. My country has a "regular" e-bike which provides assistance up to 25 km/h, and is treated like any other bike. A "speed pedelec", on the other hand, goes up to 45 km/h and is treated like a moped. It often isn't allowed on bike paths due to the danger the speed difference poses, and it is even required to have a license plate! So no, just because they are all bicycles doesn't mean they can safely be mixed - just like having a tractor going 40 km/h on a motorway where the rest of the traffic goes 120 km/h is not a great idea.
- tcfhgj 3y ago
  Yet cars being able to drive 200km/h are supposed to drive in zones restricted to 50km/h or even less. How's that even possible?
  - crote 3y ago
    Easy: you make it physically uncomfortable or even impossible to drive any faster than 50 km/h. Simply putting up a speed sign doesn't work, we have known that for decades - you need to actually design the road for the speed you want people to drive. You're not going to drive 200 km/h down a narrow alleyway, for example, you're going to drive through there at walking pace.
- treprinum 3y ago
  I used to ride a regular trek (not even a road) bike at excess of 45km/h uphill, overtaking some slower cars. I see no point in this dual-style speed separations for e-bikes, any athletic person can do the same damage on a regular bike.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    > I used to ride a regular trek (not even a road) bike at excess of 45km/h uphill, overtaking some slower cars. That's fast for sustained uphill. I wouldn't have been able to match that in my best days. Consider going pro, that's not just 'any athletic person' that's insane. TDF riders average at about 20 kph (12-14 mph or so) uphill...
    - treprinum 3y ago
      Depends on how steep uphill you have in mind ;-)

murderfs 3y ago

"Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?" - George Carlin

crote 3y ago

I think you are seriously underestimating how fast recumbent bikes go. They can reach 40-50 km/h without too much effort, compared to the average cyclist going about 20 km/h. In Europe e-bikes are separated into two categories. My country has a "regular" e-bike which provides assistance up to 25 km/h, and is treated like any other bike. A "speed pedelec", on the other hand, goes up to 45 km/h and is treated like a moped. It often isn't allowed on bike paths due to the danger the speed difference poses, and it is even required to have a license plate! So no, just because they are all bicycles doesn't mean they can safely be mixed - just like having a tractor going 40 km/h on a motorway where the rest of the traffic goes 120 km/h is not a great idea.

tcfhgj 3y ago
Yet cars being able to drive 200km/h are supposed to drive in zones restricted to 50km/h or even less. How's that even possible?
- crote 3y ago
  Easy: you make it physically uncomfortable or even impossible to drive any faster than 50 km/h. Simply putting up a speed sign doesn't work, we have known that for decades - you need to actually design the road for the speed you want people to drive. You're not going to drive 200 km/h down a narrow alleyway, for example, you're going to drive through there at walking pace.
treprinum 3y ago
I used to ride a regular trek (not even a road) bike at excess of 45km/h uphill, overtaking some slower cars. I see no point in this dual-style speed separations for e-bikes, any athletic person can do the same damage on a regular bike.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  > I used to ride a regular trek (not even a road) bike at excess of 45km/h uphill, overtaking some slower cars. That's fast for sustained uphill. I wouldn't have been able to match that in my best days. Consider going pro, that's not just 'any athletic person' that's insane. TDF riders average at about 20 kph (12-14 mph or so) uphill...
  - treprinum 3y ago
    Depends on how steep uphill you have in mind ;-)