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If everyone used it wouldn't latency go down (more nearby nodes), or is it that for privacy via timing attacks they don't preference nearby nodes and/or they ad

by cma 3y ago

If everyone used it wouldn't latency go down (more nearby nodes), or is it that for privacy via timing attacks they don't preference nearby nodes and/or they add artificial delays?

tech_ken 3y ago
That’s a good question, tbh I have no idea. Yeah presumably if the user base increased then the number of nodes would also grow, but definitely unclear to me what level of latency (if any) is required for privacy
r3trohack3r 3y ago
I might misunderstand how Tor works, but unless you are a relay I don’t think you participate in routing. Unlike BitTorrent, clients don’t automatically contribute resources back to the network.
- stavros 3y ago
  ~~My (perhaps mistaken) understanding is that all nodes relay, but not all nodes are exit nodes.~~ EDIT: They do not.
  - georgyo 3y ago
    All nodes to do not relay by default. They definitely have the ability to, but it is not the default.
    - stavros 3y ago
      Ah ok, thanks.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    That depends on how you define node. I would not call the software you run to connect a "node". And in that framework, I would say that node=relay.
- nektro 3y ago
  this is a fatal flaw of Tor imo, it should be a question front and center to enable all browser installations to be relays
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - LoganDark 3y ago
    But critically not exit nodes. Exit nodes should still only be run by people who know they are running exit nodes.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      I'm not sure exit nodes should exist in the first place. Everything should probably be a tor hidden service instead.
  - DropInIn 3y ago
    https://husovec.eu/2014/07/austrian-court-sentenced-tor-exit-node-html/ https://husovec.eu/2014/07/austrian-court-sentenced-tor-exit... (Ed corrected link to be the sentencing rather than raid) This _inevitability_ ensures/d it never could be set up like that. You don't seed the sites you've visited you serve _any_ site the visitor wants.

by cma 3y ago

If everyone used it wouldn't latency go down (more nearby nodes), or is it that for privacy via timing attacks they don't preference nearby nodes and/or they add artificial delays?

tech_ken 3y ago

That’s a good question, tbh I have no idea. Yeah presumably if the user base increased then the number of nodes would also grow, but definitely unclear to me what level of latency (if any) is required for privacy

r3trohack3r 3y ago

I might misunderstand how Tor works, but unless you are a relay I don’t think you participate in routing. Unlike BitTorrent, clients don’t automatically contribute resources back to the network.

stavros 3y ago
~~My (perhaps mistaken) understanding is that all nodes relay, but not all nodes are exit nodes.~~ EDIT: They do not.
- georgyo 3y ago
  All nodes to do not relay by default. They definitely have the ability to, but it is not the default.
  - stavros 3y ago
    Ah ok, thanks.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  That depends on how you define node. I would not call the software you run to connect a "node". And in that framework, I would say that node=relay.
nektro 3y ago
this is a fatal flaw of Tor imo, it should be a question front and center to enable all browser installations to be relays
- deleted 3y ago
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- LoganDark 3y ago
  But critically not exit nodes. Exit nodes should still only be run by people who know they are running exit nodes.
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    I'm not sure exit nodes should exist in the first place. Everything should probably be a tor hidden service instead.
- DropInIn 3y ago
  https://husovec.eu/2014/07/austrian-court-sentenced-tor-exit-node-html/ https://husovec.eu/2014/07/austrian-court-sentenced-tor-exit... (Ed corrected link to be the sentencing rather than raid) This _inevitability_ ensures/d it never could be set up like that. You don't seed the sites you've visited you serve _any_ site the visitor wants.