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> The team working on the Mapuche conflict in the Araucania region of Chile, flew to Chile from London, interviewed multiple stakeholders and were back in time

> The team working on the Mapuche conflict in the Araucania region of Chile, flew to Chile from London, interviewed multiple stakeholders and were back in time for next week’s class. Jesus, for a class? Who are these people? I question the lesson, here. A wicked problem isn't one you can solve by flying into a country for a week, developing some incredibly superficial understanding, and then start proposing solutions. Step one, here, should be approaching these issues with deep humility, and this would seem to be the opposite of that.

OldGuyInTheClub 3y ago
> Who are these people? Future management consultants.
- newprint 3y ago
  My exact thought.
mrkeen 3y ago
> Jesus, for a class? Who are these people? The people taking the class. Which they flew out for. > A wicked problem isn't one you can solve by flying into a country for a week A wicked problem is one whose solution can't be seen until you've started working on it. > flying into a country for a week Meeting the stakeholders. > then start proposing solutions That's sprint one. The alternative to meeting the stakeholders before working the problem, is working the problem before meeting the stakeholders.
vessenes 3y ago
This is pointless armchair quarterbacking, and it's counterproductive to spread this sort of thinking. If you read the presentation from the Mapuche conflict team, you might come away appreciating the effort and recommendations. You'll note plenty of humility and humbling in the takeaway notes from the project. And, you'll also note there were Mapuche labeled as 'willing to talk' right in the deck. Especially here at HackerNews, I propose we generally stay positive on the idea of leaning in to solving difficult problems, and getting working on them rapidly. I believe it's better for the world.
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- tuatoru 3y ago
  Getting to work rapidly is guaranteed to be the wrong thing to do with any difficult problem. The book "How Big Things Get Done" elaborates on this and gives examples of how to do it right. 1. https://www.amazon.com/How-Big-Things-Get-Done/dp/0593239512 https://www.amazon.com/How-Big-Things-Get-Done/dp/0593239512
detourdog 3y ago
It does seem more like satire.
marcosdumay 3y ago
The entire premise is absurd. From the title, I imagined it would be a criticism of lean. A canvas describing your wicked problem must be an exercise of practical comedy, there's no other explanation.
aaron695 3y ago
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OldGuyInTheClub 3y ago

> Who are these people? Future management consultants.

newprint 3y ago
My exact thought.

mrkeen 3y ago

> Jesus, for a class? Who are these people? The people taking the class. Which they flew out for. > A wicked problem isn't one you can solve by flying into a country for a week A wicked problem is one whose solution can't be seen until you've started working on it. > flying into a country for a week Meeting the stakeholders. > then start proposing solutions That's sprint one. The alternative to meeting the stakeholders before working the problem, is working the problem before meeting the stakeholders.

vessenes 3y ago

This is pointless armchair quarterbacking, and it's counterproductive to spread this sort of thinking. If you read the presentation from the Mapuche conflict team, you might come away appreciating the effort and recommendations. You'll note plenty of humility and humbling in the takeaway notes from the project. And, you'll also note there were Mapuche labeled as 'willing to talk' right in the deck. Especially here at HackerNews, I propose we generally stay positive on the idea of leaning in to solving difficult problems, and getting working on them rapidly. I believe it's better for the world.

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tuatoru 3y ago
Getting to work rapidly is guaranteed to be the wrong thing to do with any difficult problem. The book "How Big Things Get Done" elaborates on this and gives examples of how to do it right. 1. https://www.amazon.com/How-Big-Things-Get-Done/dp/0593239512 https://www.amazon.com/How-Big-Things-Get-Done/dp/0593239512

detourdog 3y ago

It does seem more like satire.

marcosdumay 3y ago

The entire premise is absurd. From the title, I imagined it would be a criticism of lean. A canvas describing your wicked problem must be an exercise of practical comedy, there's no other explanation.

aaron695 3y ago

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