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The right to access anonymity is desirable,but so is preserving a society in which it doesn't really matter for most people. Everyone should know how to use To

The right to access anonymity is desirable,but so is preserving a society in which it doesn't really matter for most people. Everyone should know how to use Tor, but we shouldn't have to, at least not all the time.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago
Preserve implies we have that society now. People's data is being farmed and their identity leaked and sold on the dark web, and they're probably not educated enough to care. That's what you want to preserve?
- nottorp 3y ago
  > identity leaked and sold on the dark web You mean, after it's sold and resold by the likes of facebook or google in open transactions?
  - hiatus 3y ago
    Are Facebook and Google opening bank accounts with people's identities or stealing from their paypal accounts? Not sure what point you're making here.
    - nottorp 3y ago
      I'm in an area of the world where that doesnt quite work so I just thought of entities trading your personal information for marketing profit...
    - anigbrowl 3y ago
      No, they and other large vendors are just selling data that enables that. The fraudsters couldn't work without the industrial torrent of personal data that is an object of avid commerce. It weirds me out any time I open YouTube on the TV and the first thing I see is an ad related to some recent online purchase, however obscure.
    - standardUser 3y ago
      No, criminals are. Criminals will also break into your home and steal your stuff, or break into your car and drive away, or pick your wallet right out of your pocket. The existence of crime is not an example of the need for anonymity.
pkoird 3y ago
Anonymity is one of those things that if you do not fight consistently for, will be eventually taken away from you. I fail to envision a society where anonymity doesn't really matter for most people because as long as there is a society, it'll imply there is a control structure. And as long as there is a control structure, it'll keep on dictating what you can and cannot do. Unless you unreasonably assume that such a structure will always, without a fail, be perfectly correct, in the event that you disagree with it, you're certain to be in trouble. I'd like to reiterate once again, there is a distinction between morality and legality. For instance, it's never immoral to bring wrongdoings to light, and yet, it's horrendously illegal to expose classified government secrets, even if they are terrible.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago

Preserve implies we have that society now. People's data is being farmed and their identity leaked and sold on the dark web, and they're probably not educated enough to care. That's what you want to preserve?

nottorp 3y ago
> identity leaked and sold on the dark web You mean, after it's sold and resold by the likes of facebook or google in open transactions?
- hiatus 3y ago
  Are Facebook and Google opening bank accounts with people's identities or stealing from their paypal accounts? Not sure what point you're making here.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    I'm in an area of the world where that doesnt quite work so I just thought of entities trading your personal information for marketing profit...
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    No, they and other large vendors are just selling data that enables that. The fraudsters couldn't work without the industrial torrent of personal data that is an object of avid commerce. It weirds me out any time I open YouTube on the TV and the first thing I see is an ad related to some recent online purchase, however obscure.
  - standardUser 3y ago
    No, criminals are. Criminals will also break into your home and steal your stuff, or break into your car and drive away, or pick your wallet right out of your pocket. The existence of crime is not an example of the need for anonymity.

pkoird 3y ago

Anonymity is one of those things that if you do not fight consistently for, will be eventually taken away from you. I fail to envision a society where anonymity doesn't really matter for most people because as long as there is a society, it'll imply there is a control structure. And as long as there is a control structure, it'll keep on dictating what you can and cannot do. Unless you unreasonably assume that such a structure will always, without a fail, be perfectly correct, in the event that you disagree with it, you're certain to be in trouble. I'd like to reiterate once again, there is a distinction between morality and legality. For instance, it's never immoral to bring wrongdoings to light, and yet, it's horrendously illegal to expose classified government secrets, even if they are terrible.