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I'll name it. You need at least 25000$ to hire a "decent" Software Dev and 50k for Senior Dev in India. They can produce much better output compared to US count

I'll name it. You need at least 25000$ to hire a "decent" Software Dev and 50k for Senior Dev in India. They can produce much better output compared to US counterparts both in terms of Quantity and Quality. The hiring needs to be direct or else the "agency" will eat most of the money and give you 3000$/yr "senior" devs further perpetuating the stereotypes. With 235k, you can make an incredible 5 people team + cloud costs for an year.

riffraff 3y ago
do you expect a year of 5 stellar devs will be enough to re-implement photoshop? I am doubtful.
- hgsgm 3y ago
  No, 1 stellar dev for 5 years. https://www.photopea.com/ https://www.photopea.com/
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    Photopea dev hasn't worked a day in your run of the mill company. You won't find devs like that on a market.
    - vGPU 3y ago
      > Master's degree in theoretical computer science / artificial intelligence Yeah, that’s definitely not your standard coder. Previous thread where he posts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26768550 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26768550
      - kakwa_ 3y ago
        In Europe at least, developers having a Master's degree (~5 years of tertiary education) or equivalent is fairly common. From the stats I could find, that's roughly 50% of developers.
dismalpedigree 3y ago
Its not the skill of the developers thats the problem with offshoring. Its the communication breakdown and difficulty of specifying what you actually want built.
reaperducer 3y ago
You need at least 25000$ to hire a "decent" Software Dev and 50k for Senior Dev in India. They can produce much better output compared to US counterparts both in terms of Quantity and Quality. If that dev can't even put a dollar sign in the right place, then I'm not sure the quality is everything you claim. Attention to detail matters. Especially in coding.
- computerfriend 3y ago
  Different conventions exist. Personally, I put the unit after the quantity without exception.
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    Yeah, I always found this to be an utterly strange convention. Do you say, "that'll be dollars one hundred", when you tell someone a price? Would you write, "I'm lbs200"? I suppose it does give away the cultural difference, but this is one where the Indians (and a lot of others) get it right.
    - hgsgm 3y ago
      $566 is right. SI and everything else got it wrong. Most significant figures should come first. Unit is the most significant figure. "Five hundred...." is meaningless. "dollars five hundred..." is a useful preliminary approximation.
      - vGPU 3y ago
        When I think about it, I have to agree. It would make for a fast mental shortcut in preparation. For example: you need to move an item. How much does it weigh? Grams… ok, pocket Kilograms… might need to put it in the trunk.
- tuetuopay 3y ago
  At least Europeans put the currency sign after the number. If a dev cannot be United States centric and condescending, I'm not sure of their worth as an engineer.

riffraff 3y ago

do you expect a year of 5 stellar devs will be enough to re-implement photoshop? I am doubtful.

hgsgm 3y ago
No, 1 stellar dev for 5 years. https://www.photopea.com/ https://www.photopea.com/
- wiseowise 3y ago
  Photopea dev hasn't worked a day in your run of the mill company. You won't find devs like that on a market.
  - vGPU 3y ago
    > Master's degree in theoretical computer science / artificial intelligence Yeah, that’s definitely not your standard coder. Previous thread where he posts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26768550 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26768550
    - kakwa_ 3y ago
      In Europe at least, developers having a Master's degree (~5 years of tertiary education) or equivalent is fairly common. From the stats I could find, that's roughly 50% of developers.

dismalpedigree 3y ago

Its not the skill of the developers thats the problem with offshoring. Its the communication breakdown and difficulty of specifying what you actually want built.

reaperducer 3y ago

You need at least 25000$ to hire a "decent" Software Dev and 50k for Senior Dev in India. They can produce much better output compared to US counterparts both in terms of Quantity and Quality. If that dev can't even put a dollar sign in the right place, then I'm not sure the quality is everything you claim. Attention to detail matters. Especially in coding.

computerfriend 3y ago
Different conventions exist. Personally, I put the unit after the quantity without exception.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  Yeah, I always found this to be an utterly strange convention. Do you say, "that'll be dollars one hundred", when you tell someone a price? Would you write, "I'm lbs200"? I suppose it does give away the cultural difference, but this is one where the Indians (and a lot of others) get it right.
  - hgsgm 3y ago
    $566 is right. SI and everything else got it wrong. Most significant figures should come first. Unit is the most significant figure. "Five hundred...." is meaningless. "dollars five hundred..." is a useful preliminary approximation.
    - vGPU 3y ago
      When I think about it, I have to agree. It would make for a fast mental shortcut in preparation. For example: you need to move an item. How much does it weigh? Grams… ok, pocket Kilograms… might need to put it in the trunk.
tuetuopay 3y ago
At least Europeans put the currency sign after the number. If a dev cannot be United States centric and condescending, I'm not sure of their worth as an engineer.