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I think Intel’s return to success is pretty much inevitable at this point. Just look at how much money they are getting in subsidies from countries like the US

I think Intel’s return to success is pretty much inevitable at this point. Just look at how much money they are getting in subsidies from countries like the US and Germany. This is coming from a strong geopolitical imperative to bring advanced semiconductor manufacturing back to the West.

thunkshift1 3y ago
All semi manufacturers are getting subsidies.. tsmc and samsung have contributions measured in percentage of gdp of the respective countries. Its hard to believe they are not getting any
- jrockway 3y ago
  Finally the government is doing something good; paying chip manufacturers so I can get paid a million dollars a year to use O(n^2) algorithms everywhere!
- brokencode 3y ago
  Sure, I’m not saying that they won’t be successful too. But Intel is the only Western company capable of manufacturing the most advanced semiconductors right now, and you better believe that makes them too big to fail.
GartzenDeHaes 3y ago
> This is coming from a strong geopolitical imperative to bring advanced semiconductor manufacturing back to the West. But didn't they also offshore their CPU design teams?
- brokencode 3y ago
  No? Please cite a source for this.
- __init 3y ago
  No; in fact, we're doing more of our core development in the US than at some previous points in our history. (I work at Intel, but this is just my personal observation.)
  - maldev 3y ago
    Does intel still have the really toxic contractor culture with a TON of h1b's? I don't see them rebounding until they get quality employees and not pay severely under market through contractors.
    - __init 3y ago
      I work remotely on a small-ish research team. Almost all of my immediate colleagues are in the US or Western Europe. Most (all?) of the folks on P- and E-Core Engineering that I work with are full employees (i.e. not contractors) in the US or Israel. I'm not sure I'd know if they were H1Bs, but they're generally very knowledgeable and hardworking. From my perspective, there's little outsourcing on the core businesses (pun fully intended). As far as comp goes, mine is competitive with Bay Area FAANG.

thunkshift1 3y ago

All semi manufacturers are getting subsidies.. tsmc and samsung have contributions measured in percentage of gdp of the respective countries. Its hard to believe they are not getting any

jrockway 3y ago
Finally the government is doing something good; paying chip manufacturers so I can get paid a million dollars a year to use O(n^2) algorithms everywhere!
brokencode 3y ago
Sure, I’m not saying that they won’t be successful too. But Intel is the only Western company capable of manufacturing the most advanced semiconductors right now, and you better believe that makes them too big to fail.

GartzenDeHaes 3y ago

> This is coming from a strong geopolitical imperative to bring advanced semiconductor manufacturing back to the West. But didn't they also offshore their CPU design teams?

brokencode 3y ago
No? Please cite a source for this.
__init 3y ago
No; in fact, we're doing more of our core development in the US than at some previous points in our history. (I work at Intel, but this is just my personal observation.)
- maldev 3y ago
  Does intel still have the really toxic contractor culture with a TON of h1b's? I don't see them rebounding until they get quality employees and not pay severely under market through contractors.
  - __init 3y ago
    I work remotely on a small-ish research team. Almost all of my immediate colleagues are in the US or Western Europe. Most (all?) of the folks on P- and E-Core Engineering that I work with are full employees (i.e. not contractors) in the US or Israel. I'm not sure I'd know if they were H1Bs, but they're generally very knowledgeable and hardworking. From my perspective, there's little outsourcing on the core businesses (pun fully intended). As far as comp goes, mine is competitive with Bay Area FAANG.