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After being forced to submit face and fingerprints in Asia this summer, and no clue where the data went. I’m thinking my traveling days are over. A shame as t

After being forced to submit face and fingerprints in Asia this summer, and no clue where the data went. I’m thinking my traveling days are over. A shame as travel has been beneficial.

kredd 3y ago
Face and/or fingerprints have been a requirement in in every developed country (including US) since at least 2012. Might be even earlier than that, that's just the clearest memory of myself going through the immigration in Europe. It's a tiny bit different when you're citizen of the country you're entering into, but that's just details. At this point, I live with the expectation that my biometrics are available for sale in some 3rd party data broker, and try to live with having that kind of threat model in my mind. Something something, adapt and survive.
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  The sane thing to do would be to discount fingerprint evidence in any judicial (and other) proceeding. It just doesn’t mean much when everyone has a copy of everyone else’s.
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    First, everyone does not have a copy of everyone else's, second it's pretty difficult to fake someone else's fingerprints. Honestly, a lot of tech people just do no seem to live in the real world. Please, take this on as a challenge and try to swap your fingerprints with those of a friend and see if you can fool a forensic technician. The experience will be well worth the small cost of hiring an expert for a few hours.
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  Not fingerprints or live facial recognition between trusting countries, no. It’s rather new. I’m also taking about a tourism, not immigration.
  - kredd 3y ago
    You go through "customs and immigration control", that's what I was referring to, apologies. Whether you're a tourist or not, you still go through the same process. Live facial recognition is not new. I know at least in Canada, since my close friend used to work for CBSA and used to tell stories back in 2014, and assuming other countries are more advanced than us. Fingerprinting surely was a thing when you travelled by air into the US for the first time. If i'm not mistaken, after that, they scan your passport to see if they already have the data, and don't ask for it again. Also, if you ever had to apply for non-tourism visas, or visas for countries that require in person visits, they will absolutely take your fingerprints during document collection. I don't think servers of those countries are secure or sophisticated, so either you limit your life and live in the woods, or accept your biometrics are floating around through brokers.
    - mixmastamyk 3y ago
      Despite this being a US-centric site it seems you've assumed I'm not. The only other fingerprinting I've seen pre-pandemic was in Brazil, mid 2010s, due to visa reciprocity policy.
rconti 3y ago
This reminds me of a motorcycle forum I was on where some guy was outraged Canada wouldn't let him bring in his handgun while on his roadtrip, and while everyone tried to provide helpful suggestions of where he could safely secure it before crossing the border (and pick it up again on his return to the US), he instead was fixated on how obviously Canada didn't want his tourist dollars and didn't respect his freedom.
- chrisco255 3y ago
  Well it's quite different isn't it, because you can't leave your retinas or fingerprints behind, these are irrevocable details about your personhood. These details could be abused by a foreign or domestic government and could also be leaked in any number of ways or used to target individuals.
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  Obtuse non-sequitur. No one is talking about traveling with a gun. Chrisco already explains why. Countries can make whatever restrictions they like; we don’t have to support them. That’s the power of choice. Has nothing to do with entitlement.
  - Klonoar 3y ago
    It’s not an obtuse non-sequitur, they’re just pointing out how ridiculous the parent comments stance is. Travel has a lot to offer in terms of experience and it sounds like they already submitted the data points, may as well continue. Individual protest won’t solve it here, this would take significant changes in governments to ever pull off.
    - mixmastamyk 3y ago
      Travel to one country does not "already submit" in others. No one said "protest" would "solve it." Only thing one could possibly do is vote with currency, and one doesn't have to be even mildly outraged to just go elsewhere. Please reread the full thread before responding. Don't need any more hot takes based on rejections of ideas not expressed.
Thoeu388 3y ago
I was forced to give private medical information while visiting restaurant. War for privacy was lost long time ago.
- ciabattabread 3y ago
  You mean a COVID proof-of-vaccination?
  - Scoundreller 3y ago
    No, their deadly allergy to peanuts ;)
- deleted 3y ago
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After being forced to submit face and fingerprints in Asia this summer, and no clue where the data went. I’m thinking my traveling days are over. A shame as travel has been beneficial.

kredd 3y ago

Face and/or fingerprints have been a requirement in in every developed country (including US) since at least 2012. Might be even earlier than that, that's just the clearest memory of myself going through the immigration in Europe. It's a tiny bit different when you're citizen of the country you're entering into, but that's just details. At this point, I live with the expectation that my biometrics are available for sale in some 3rd party data broker, and try to live with having that kind of threat model in my mind. Something something, adapt and survive.

Scoundreller 3y ago
The sane thing to do would be to discount fingerprint evidence in any judicial (and other) proceeding. It just doesn’t mean much when everyone has a copy of everyone else’s.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  First, everyone does not have a copy of everyone else's, second it's pretty difficult to fake someone else's fingerprints. Honestly, a lot of tech people just do no seem to live in the real world. Please, take this on as a challenge and try to swap your fingerprints with those of a friend and see if you can fool a forensic technician. The experience will be well worth the small cost of hiring an expert for a few hours.
mixmastamyk 3y ago
Not fingerprints or live facial recognition between trusting countries, no. It’s rather new. I’m also taking about a tourism, not immigration.
- kredd 3y ago
  You go through "customs and immigration control", that's what I was referring to, apologies. Whether you're a tourist or not, you still go through the same process. Live facial recognition is not new. I know at least in Canada, since my close friend used to work for CBSA and used to tell stories back in 2014, and assuming other countries are more advanced than us. Fingerprinting surely was a thing when you travelled by air into the US for the first time. If i'm not mistaken, after that, they scan your passport to see if they already have the data, and don't ask for it again. Also, if you ever had to apply for non-tourism visas, or visas for countries that require in person visits, they will absolutely take your fingerprints during document collection. I don't think servers of those countries are secure or sophisticated, so either you limit your life and live in the woods, or accept your biometrics are floating around through brokers.
  - mixmastamyk 3y ago
    Despite this being a US-centric site it seems you've assumed I'm not. The only other fingerprinting I've seen pre-pandemic was in Brazil, mid 2010s, due to visa reciprocity policy.

rconti 3y ago

This reminds me of a motorcycle forum I was on where some guy was outraged Canada wouldn't let him bring in his handgun while on his roadtrip, and while everyone tried to provide helpful suggestions of where he could safely secure it before crossing the border (and pick it up again on his return to the US), he instead was fixated on how obviously Canada didn't want his tourist dollars and didn't respect his freedom.

chrisco255 3y ago
Well it's quite different isn't it, because you can't leave your retinas or fingerprints behind, these are irrevocable details about your personhood. These details could be abused by a foreign or domestic government and could also be leaked in any number of ways or used to target individuals.
mixmastamyk 3y ago
Obtuse non-sequitur. No one is talking about traveling with a gun. Chrisco already explains why. Countries can make whatever restrictions they like; we don’t have to support them. That’s the power of choice. Has nothing to do with entitlement.
- Klonoar 3y ago
  It’s not an obtuse non-sequitur, they’re just pointing out how ridiculous the parent comments stance is. Travel has a lot to offer in terms of experience and it sounds like they already submitted the data points, may as well continue. Individual protest won’t solve it here, this would take significant changes in governments to ever pull off.
  - mixmastamyk 3y ago
    Travel to one country does not "already submit" in others. No one said "protest" would "solve it." Only thing one could possibly do is vote with currency, and one doesn't have to be even mildly outraged to just go elsewhere. Please reread the full thread before responding. Don't need any more hot takes based on rejections of ideas not expressed.

Thoeu388 3y ago

I was forced to give private medical information while visiting restaurant. War for privacy was lost long time ago.

ciabattabread 3y ago
You mean a COVID proof-of-vaccination?
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  No, their deadly allergy to peanuts ;)
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