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Auditors are seen as annoying antagonists, just like the people who open carry in places that cause the police to get panic calls. But without them the police g

Auditors are seen as annoying antagonists, just like the people who open carry in places that cause the police to get panic calls. But without them the police get too comfortable breaking the laws with no accountability. I don't have the time, money, or balls to be an auditor, but the ones who know the laws and do it without bothering the general public are good in my book. You should know what a Terry stop is. You should know you have the right to remain silent, know what the true meaning of "I got 99 problems but a bitch aint one"

tehwebguy 3y ago
Yes, they are doing a public service. Nobody going about their day should have to take a bullshit case to the supreme court (or even district court). These folks help change policy intentionally instead of someone just living their life having their day / week / career / life ruined.
kyleyeats 3y ago
The fact that the line is associated with Jay-Z (it's an Ice-T lyric he stole) AND people think it's actually about a dog is one of the most impressive PR accomplishments in music. Bravo, Jay-Z's PR team in the #metoo era.
- post_break 3y ago
  Ok? https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/jay-zs-decoded-excerpts-the-best-bits-91363/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/jay-zs-decoded... Don't care for his music, the person, but my point still stands that you can't be held up for a drug dog at a traffic stop is a real thing you should know and according to Jay Z himself it's exactly what it's referencing. Whether he stole the hook or not doesn't really matter in this context, and has nothing to do with #metoo, I don't even know where that fits in as well. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/239513-court-rules-cops-cant-hold-suspects-to-wait-for-dog/ https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/239513-court-ru...
  - kyleyeats 3y ago
    Here is a question: Do you think he had millions of dollars of incentive to lie about this? Regardless of the truth or what you think the truth is. Do you think he had an incentive to lie?
    - mecsred 3y ago
      Here's a question: do you think you're asking leading questions? Regardless of the answer you expect. Do you think ignoring the points in the original comment and asking a question about something we can only speculate on is leading?
    - post_break 3y ago
      Here is another question, besides yourself, who else is concerned about the authenticity of some rap lyrics from a 2004 song and whether they apply to a woman or a traffic stop that happened in the 90's? And if the former, how do the lyrics make any sense? I just find this hill to stand on kind of ridiculous.
      - kyleyeats 3y ago
        It's weirder to care in the other, PR-narrative-preserving way. But yes it's weird to care. No it's not a hill for me because I don't lose friends or experience other consequences for disbelieving media narratives. I'm mildly amused you phrased it that way.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Do you really think his fans are going to be up in arms about it even if he did mean it literally? Ice Cube makes family movies when he use to rap about “F^^^ the police” and “With a white Jew tellin' you what to do“. The entire lyrics of “No Vaseline” was racist and would be considered homophonic today - ie “Mista S%%%packer, bend over for the goddamn c%%#}r”. He never apologized for anything and no one cares. Ice T went from “Cop Killer” to playing a cop on TV for two decades. Dr. Dre sold his company for billions. Hell we elected a President who bragged on tape about forcible “grabbing a woman by the p%%%%” and he is worshipped by the “religious right”.
- kelnos 3y ago
  The Wikipedia cited reference for the lyric being about a police dog (but only when sung after the 2nd verse) is from 2011, so I think you have your #MeToo timetable wrong. Considering that Jay-Z himself tells us what those lyrics mean to him in his 2011 book, how would you consider that a "PR accomplishment"? The person who wrote the song ("stolen" line or otherwise) is the best source for what the artist intended, no?
  - kyleyeats 3y ago
    Releasing a book in this century, if you're a celebrity, is most often a calculated PR move to control the narrative, yes. Books are PR instruments, fodder for articles for months. Have you ever heard of someone refer to traffic stops as "girl problems"? This conversation is ridiculous. One verse in the song is about a traffic stop-- that specific lyric is a play on the line, not all the lyrics. Jay-Z got rich on sexism and now he's getting richer on anti-sexism. Anyone who eats it up is a fool.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Yes and Tupac was actually talking about a woman when he rapped about “me and my girlfriend”. https://genius.com/2pac-me-and-my-girlfriend-lyrics https://genius.com/2pac-me-and-my-girlfriend-lyrics But even in his third verse he said > This is not a ho in the sense of having a p%%%%
- 542354234235 3y ago
  > people think it's actually about a dog What a weird hill to try and die on, especially being 100% wrong about it. His first verse is about ignorant rap critics, exploitative advertisers, and fickle radio stations, and uses the 99 problems lyric to reference them. His second verse details a police stop where he was transporting drugs, and the 99 problems lyric is to reference the K-9 that is due to arrive. His third verse he talks about a physical altercation he had with another man who was performatively aggressive, without anything to back it up. In that verse, he makes another point about how he is using a term often used for women, but he is not using that way "A nigga like myself had to strong-arm a ho/ This is not a ho in the sense of having a pussy/ But a pussy having no goddamn sense try and push me". At the end, the 99 problems lyric is used to reference this senseless man. No where in the song does he talk about ex-girlfriends, strippers, club hookups or literally anything about women. The song is completely structured around clearly and consistently setting it up and paying it off as wordplay against things that aren’t women.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    It's funny to me seeing this "uproar" after watching the Prodigy's Smack my bitch up "uproar" from much earlier. Probably with a smaller audience though.
  - kyleyeats 3y ago
    If you call someone a woman as an insult, that's misogynistic towards women, even if the person you're calling a woman isn't actually a woman. It doesn't even make sense as an insult unless you're a sexist. Again with the hill stuff. Are you really not allowed to disagree with celebrity gossip in your life?
    - 542354234235 3y ago
      >Have you ever heard of someone refer to traffic stops as "girl problems"? This conversation is ridiculous. One verse in the song is about a traffic stop-- that specific lyric is a play on the line, not all the lyrics. Jay-Z got rich on sexism and now he's getting richer on anti-sexism. >people think it's actually about a dog is one of the most impressive PR accomplishments in music. Bravo, Jay-Z's PR team in the #metoo era. >Do you think he had millions of dollars of incentive to lie about this? You asserted over and over that the song was about women, and that Jay-Z is now lying You weren't saying whether it was or wasn't misogynistic or sexist. You were asserting that it was about women and Jay-Z is now lying and saying it wasn't about women as some sort of PR push related to #metoo. These are two different things. The lyrics of the song makes it crystal clear what is being talked about. Each verse is talking about a very specific thing and the entire verse is focused on that one thing. That isn't PR or gossip or media narrative. That is simple reading comprehension.
jkingsman 3y ago
> the true meaning of "I got 99 problems but a bitch aint one" For those unaware, a verse from Jay Z's "99 Problems": The year's '94 and my trunk is raw In my rearview mirror is the motherfucking law I got two choices y'all, pull over the car or Bounce on the devil, put the pedal to the floor Now I ain't trying to see no highway chase with Jake Plus I got a few dollars I can fight the case So I, pull over to the side of the road I heard, "Son, do you know why I'm stopping you for?" "Cause I'm young and I'm black and my hat's real low" Do I look like a mind reader, sir? I don't know Am I under arrest or should I guess some more? "Well you was doing fifty-five in a fifty-four" (uh huh) "License and registration and step out of the car" "Are you carrying a weapon on you, I know a lot of you are" I ain't stepping out of shit, all my papers legit "Well do you mind if I look around the car a little bit?" Well my glove compartment is locked, so is the trunk in the back And I know my rights so you goin' need a warrant for that "Aren't you sharp as a tack? You some type of lawyer or something?" "Somebody important or something?" Well, I ain't passed the bar, but I know a little bit Enough that you won't illegally search my shit "Well we'll see how smart you are when the K-9 come" I got ninety nine problems but a bitch ain't one, hit me
- 542354234235 3y ago
  An amusing and interesting legal analysis of what is happening in the referenced traffic stop. https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/lj/vol56/iss2/7/ https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/lj/vol56/iss2/7/
- ThisIsMyAltFace 3y ago
  Yeah, he was a crack dealer and had a stash in a hidden compartment in the sunroof. The cops let him go because the k9 unit took too long to come.
sneak 3y ago
Open carrying is a right. Not getting "panic calls" is not. Furthermore, anyone who freaks out and calls 911 because someone is walking around not breaking the law is the problem, not the person exercising their rights. Too many people treat the police as social tech support, not as law enforcement.
- post_break 3y ago
  Sure it's a right. But you won't see me walking down our main street with my AK47 on my back because we know the outcome, and that's my point. No one is arguing what the rights are, my context is they are pushing the boundaries to assert their rights and change how the police interact with people.
  - mbfg 3y ago
    the police should be held to a far higher standard, tho. I agree auditers are being provocators, and people can consider them jerks, but you are allowed to be a jerk, if you are not breaking laws. We give police the trust to serve and protect, and give them high levels of immunity. They should be significantly better than the common man.
  - sneak 3y ago
    Why not? It's legal and if the police harass you for doing so, the police are broken, and someone should fix that. The first step in fixing it is bringing it to the forefront of attention. Peacefully open carrying long arms has a long and great historical tradition in the US. I have a poster of Huey P Newton on my wall in my office. https://capitolweekly.net/black-panthers-armed-capitol/ https://capitolweekly.net/black-panthers-armed-capitol/
- scarface_74 3y ago
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unsupp0rted 3y ago
I used to think of auditors as annoying antagonists (in my real life people never ever carry lethal weapons and police are reasonable people) until I started watching their Youtube videos. There was one where a somewhat post-middle-aged guy is walking on the side of a busy road or highway. He's legally blind and he has a folded cane in hand, which the cops stop him for and threaten to arrest him. Then there are the more innocuous ones, where a person is on public property just video recording public buildings from the public sidewalk, and cops come to threaten him with arrest. I remember one where a guy is video recording in a public library and they call the cops, who come and explain that a public library is public. And it is a him. Always a him. In all of these the police, who are visibly and egregiously breaking laws themselves, never apologize and even when a superior tells them to screw off and leave the law-abiding private citizen alone.
scarface_74 3y ago
Well just recently https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-officer-released-police-dog-black-man-hands-raised-fired-authorit-rcna96509 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-officer-released-p...

tehwebguy 3y ago

Yes, they are doing a public service. Nobody going about their day should have to take a bullshit case to the supreme court (or even district court). These folks help change policy intentionally instead of someone just living their life having their day / week / career / life ruined.

kyleyeats 3y ago

The fact that the line is associated with Jay-Z (it's an Ice-T lyric he stole) AND people think it's actually about a dog is one of the most impressive PR accomplishments in music. Bravo, Jay-Z's PR team in the #metoo era.

post_break 3y ago
Ok? https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/jay-zs-decoded-excerpts-the-best-bits-91363/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/jay-zs-decoded... Don't care for his music, the person, but my point still stands that you can't be held up for a drug dog at a traffic stop is a real thing you should know and according to Jay Z himself it's exactly what it's referencing. Whether he stole the hook or not doesn't really matter in this context, and has nothing to do with #metoo, I don't even know where that fits in as well. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/239513-court-rules-cops-cant-hold-suspects-to-wait-for-dog/ https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/239513-court-ru...
- kyleyeats 3y ago
  Here is a question: Do you think he had millions of dollars of incentive to lie about this? Regardless of the truth or what you think the truth is. Do you think he had an incentive to lie?
  - mecsred 3y ago
    Here's a question: do you think you're asking leading questions? Regardless of the answer you expect. Do you think ignoring the points in the original comment and asking a question about something we can only speculate on is leading?
  - post_break 3y ago
    Here is another question, besides yourself, who else is concerned about the authenticity of some rap lyrics from a 2004 song and whether they apply to a woman or a traffic stop that happened in the 90's? And if the former, how do the lyrics make any sense? I just find this hill to stand on kind of ridiculous.
    - kyleyeats 3y ago
      It's weirder to care in the other, PR-narrative-preserving way. But yes it's weird to care. No it's not a hill for me because I don't lose friends or experience other consequences for disbelieving media narratives. I'm mildly amused you phrased it that way.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Do you really think his fans are going to be up in arms about it even if he did mean it literally? Ice Cube makes family movies when he use to rap about “F^^^ the police” and “With a white Jew tellin' you what to do“. The entire lyrics of “No Vaseline” was racist and would be considered homophonic today - ie “Mista S%%%packer, bend over for the goddamn c%%#}r”. He never apologized for anything and no one cares. Ice T went from “Cop Killer” to playing a cop on TV for two decades. Dr. Dre sold his company for billions. Hell we elected a President who bragged on tape about forcible “grabbing a woman by the p%%%%” and he is worshipped by the “religious right”.
kelnos 3y ago
The Wikipedia cited reference for the lyric being about a police dog (but only when sung after the 2nd verse) is from 2011, so I think you have your #MeToo timetable wrong. Considering that Jay-Z himself tells us what those lyrics mean to him in his 2011 book, how would you consider that a "PR accomplishment"? The person who wrote the song ("stolen" line or otherwise) is the best source for what the artist intended, no?
- kyleyeats 3y ago
  Releasing a book in this century, if you're a celebrity, is most often a calculated PR move to control the narrative, yes. Books are PR instruments, fodder for articles for months. Have you ever heard of someone refer to traffic stops as "girl problems"? This conversation is ridiculous. One verse in the song is about a traffic stop-- that specific lyric is a play on the line, not all the lyrics. Jay-Z got rich on sexism and now he's getting richer on anti-sexism. Anyone who eats it up is a fool.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Yes and Tupac was actually talking about a woman when he rapped about “me and my girlfriend”. https://genius.com/2pac-me-and-my-girlfriend-lyrics https://genius.com/2pac-me-and-my-girlfriend-lyrics But even in his third verse he said > This is not a ho in the sense of having a p%%%%
542354234235 3y ago
> people think it's actually about a dog What a weird hill to try and die on, especially being 100% wrong about it. His first verse is about ignorant rap critics, exploitative advertisers, and fickle radio stations, and uses the 99 problems lyric to reference them. His second verse details a police stop where he was transporting drugs, and the 99 problems lyric is to reference the K-9 that is due to arrive. His third verse he talks about a physical altercation he had with another man who was performatively aggressive, without anything to back it up. In that verse, he makes another point about how he is using a term often used for women, but he is not using that way "A nigga like myself had to strong-arm a ho/ This is not a ho in the sense of having a pussy/ But a pussy having no goddamn sense try and push me". At the end, the 99 problems lyric is used to reference this senseless man. No where in the song does he talk about ex-girlfriends, strippers, club hookups or literally anything about women. The song is completely structured around clearly and consistently setting it up and paying it off as wordplay against things that aren’t women.
- dylan604 3y ago
  It's funny to me seeing this "uproar" after watching the Prodigy's Smack my bitch up "uproar" from much earlier. Probably with a smaller audience though.
- kyleyeats 3y ago
  If you call someone a woman as an insult, that's misogynistic towards women, even if the person you're calling a woman isn't actually a woman. It doesn't even make sense as an insult unless you're a sexist. Again with the hill stuff. Are you really not allowed to disagree with celebrity gossip in your life?
  - 542354234235 3y ago
    >Have you ever heard of someone refer to traffic stops as "girl problems"? This conversation is ridiculous. One verse in the song is about a traffic stop-- that specific lyric is a play on the line, not all the lyrics. Jay-Z got rich on sexism and now he's getting richer on anti-sexism. >people think it's actually about a dog is one of the most impressive PR accomplishments in music. Bravo, Jay-Z's PR team in the #metoo era. >Do you think he had millions of dollars of incentive to lie about this? You asserted over and over that the song was about women, and that Jay-Z is now lying You weren't saying whether it was or wasn't misogynistic or sexist. You were asserting that it was about women and Jay-Z is now lying and saying it wasn't about women as some sort of PR push related to #metoo. These are two different things. The lyrics of the song makes it crystal clear what is being talked about. Each verse is talking about a very specific thing and the entire verse is focused on that one thing. That isn't PR or gossip or media narrative. That is simple reading comprehension.

jkingsman 3y ago

> the true meaning of "I got 99 problems but a bitch aint one" For those unaware, a verse from Jay Z's "99 Problems": The year's '94 and my trunk is raw In my rearview mirror is the motherfucking law I got two choices y'all, pull over the car or Bounce on the devil, put the pedal to the floor Now I ain't trying to see no highway chase with Jake Plus I got a few dollars I can fight the case So I, pull over to the side of the road I heard, "Son, do you know why I'm stopping you for?" "Cause I'm young and I'm black and my hat's real low" Do I look like a mind reader, sir? I don't know Am I under arrest or should I guess some more? "Well you was doing fifty-five in a fifty-four" (uh huh) "License and registration and step out of the car" "Are you carrying a weapon on you, I know a lot of you are" I ain't stepping out of shit, all my papers legit "Well do you mind if I look around the car a little bit?" Well my glove compartment is locked, so is the trunk in the back And I know my rights so you goin' need a warrant for that "Aren't you sharp as a tack? You some type of lawyer or something?" "Somebody important or something?" Well, I ain't passed the bar, but I know a little bit Enough that you won't illegally search my shit "Well we'll see how smart you are when the K-9 come" I got ninety nine problems but a bitch ain't one, hit me

542354234235 3y ago
An amusing and interesting legal analysis of what is happening in the referenced traffic stop. https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/lj/vol56/iss2/7/ https://scholarship.law.slu.edu/lj/vol56/iss2/7/
ThisIsMyAltFace 3y ago
Yeah, he was a crack dealer and had a stash in a hidden compartment in the sunroof. The cops let him go because the k9 unit took too long to come.

sneak 3y ago

Open carrying is a right. Not getting "panic calls" is not. Furthermore, anyone who freaks out and calls 911 because someone is walking around not breaking the law is the problem, not the person exercising their rights. Too many people treat the police as social tech support, not as law enforcement.

post_break 3y ago
Sure it's a right. But you won't see me walking down our main street with my AK47 on my back because we know the outcome, and that's my point. No one is arguing what the rights are, my context is they are pushing the boundaries to assert their rights and change how the police interact with people.
- mbfg 3y ago
  the police should be held to a far higher standard, tho. I agree auditers are being provocators, and people can consider them jerks, but you are allowed to be a jerk, if you are not breaking laws. We give police the trust to serve and protect, and give them high levels of immunity. They should be significantly better than the common man.
- sneak 3y ago
  Why not? It's legal and if the police harass you for doing so, the police are broken, and someone should fix that. The first step in fixing it is bringing it to the forefront of attention. Peacefully open carrying long arms has a long and great historical tradition in the US. I have a poster of Huey P Newton on my wall in my office. https://capitolweekly.net/black-panthers-armed-capitol/ https://capitolweekly.net/black-panthers-armed-capitol/
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unsupp0rted 3y ago

I used to think of auditors as annoying antagonists (in my real life people never ever carry lethal weapons and police are reasonable people) until I started watching their Youtube videos. There was one where a somewhat post-middle-aged guy is walking on the side of a busy road or highway. He's legally blind and he has a folded cane in hand, which the cops stop him for and threaten to arrest him. Then there are the more innocuous ones, where a person is on public property just video recording public buildings from the public sidewalk, and cops come to threaten him with arrest. I remember one where a guy is video recording in a public library and they call the cops, who come and explain that a public library is public. And it is a him. Always a him. In all of these the police, who are visibly and egregiously breaking laws themselves, never apologize and even when a superior tells them to screw off and leave the law-abiding private citizen alone.

scarface_74 3y ago

Well just recently https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-officer-released-police-dog-black-man-hands-raised-fired-authorit-rcna96509 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-officer-released-p...