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I think the real victims here are us normal people who have to deal with the terrible quality of that software. It was a good choice for whoever is picking the

I think the real victims here are us normal people who have to deal with the terrible quality of that software. It was a good choice for whoever is picking the software and Microsoft is not worried at all in trying to improve it because they know people will swallow it. Unless I have no option I'm not working anymore for any company that uses Teams.

Spare_account 3y ago
As a happy MS Teams user, I'm curious about what issues you experience? Also, if you're willing, I'd be interested to hear which competing products you use and which areas those products outperform MS Teams?
- sofixa 3y ago
  > As a happy MS Teams user Sounds like Stockholm syndrome. I was a moderately happy Teams user for conferencing before switching jobs to one that uses Zoom for conferencing, but occasionally has to use Teams.. it's not even close. Teams was, and still is, a crapshot if it will mangle my audio settings or not (browser, Ubuntu, macOS, doesn't matter). Camera touch-up is pathetic compared to what Zoom does (I have conflicting natural light). Oh, and logging in is often a pain with a million redirects left and right, a timeout from times to times, etc. Also, sometimes I just can't connect to a meeting, it will keep spinning forever, and I have to use the browser version which has the fun benefit of not having all features (sometimes the chat just isn't there on the browser while it is on the "native" "app").
  - bombcar 3y ago
    I think a big part of it is if people use teams mainly as a video calling tool vs a chat tool vs a multiplayer Office tool.
  - Spare_account 3y ago
    I wonder if there is a pattern here that people who are complaining about MS Teams are also largely non-Windows users? My company is almost exclusively made up of Windows users and overall, I don't hear many complaints about MS Teams.
- dmonitor 3y ago
  just look at the teams ui and count how many buttons are on screen crammed under the text box, and how many of those you’ve actually used in a productive manner
- ecshafer 3y ago
  Teams is the worst software I’ve ever used. I get frequent issues with it connecting to AD. It uses ungodly amounts of ram and cpu. Its ui is unintuitive. It’s really bad at telling who is active away or offline. It’s difficult to tune notifications since it’s chat and channels specific. Its video quality is bad. Its audio quality is bad. You can’t copy and paste code into and out of it easily. The chats have too much white space. There aren’t good emoji options in reactions.
  - candiddevmike 3y ago
    I've worked at places that actually _rely_ on Teams away/online to determine if folks are actually working...
- Banditoz 3y ago
  Every Teams team has a backed Sharepoint site. Hard to watch videos in a Teams team. Why are they files? Two slightly different styles between teams and chats. I also heard they use two separate DBMSes between chats and teams. Pasting formatted code is an exercise in patience. Steps: Click More Formatting Click language dropdown Click language Paste code Click Insert Click send message (it doesn't focus) Discord lets you type three backticks, the language, and three backticks again. No mouse clicks required. Images randomly fail to load. Teams compresses PNGs to JPGs when it sends it to clients, so screenshots of code look like shit. Downloading it gives you the original file. You can only pin up to 15 chats. What product manager at Microsoft decided this completely arbitrary number that obviously is not a technical limitation at the time? Viewing a thread just sucks. Messages don't autoscroll when there's a new message. Good luck following a busy thread. Pasting in stuff from a site pastes formatted. Need to do ctrl-shift-v to paste unformatted. I have yet figured out the behavior of how inline code is supposed to work. Inconsistently it decides to close the block with a closing backtick. Sometimes it ignores it. Their webhook endpoint (for sending in messages to channels) can return a 200 if there is actually a problem delivering the message. I would rather use Slack, IRC, Discord, or even Matrix to name a few.
  - bshacklett 3y ago
    For small snippets, three backticks and a space works. My biggest gripe is notifications. There’s no distinction between a direct message and a group chat, including meeting chats. To stop being pinged every time anyone talks to anyone else, you have to disable chat notifications completely. And yes… team channels exist, but very few people actually use them, because ad-hoc group chats are just so much easier. It’s the same with Slack, except that Slack has a reasonable mechanism for handling notifications.
- laurels-marts 3y ago
  Teams is a laggy and stuttery mess. Why is it so slow even on latest i7 intel and 16gb of RAM? It has 0 of what a native application should actually feel like when using.
- nikau 3y ago
  > I'm curious about what issues you experience? I especially like it when I switch chats and start typing too early and it either drops the first few words I enter, or they get put in reverse order.
gumballindie 3y ago
> Unless I have no option I'm not working anymore for any company that uses Teams. I made it a personal rules that no company that imposes microsoft products, let alone teams, shall benefit from my services. It’s one of many potential smells of a mediocre environment.
- jensensbutton 3y ago
  At least 3 of the 5 big tech companies "impose" ms products and have done so for years as they grew. You're gonna miss out on a lot of upside with that mentality. To each their own though.
  - ecshafer 3y ago
    Microsoft, Netflix, …? Google has their own stuff. Facebook I am assuming use their own stuff like workplace. Apple I don’t see using Microsoft but I could be wrong. Netflix used / uses? Silver light so I know they have pushed Microsoft stuff l.
    - jensensbutton 3y ago
      Facebook uses Outlook, Amazon uses multiple MS products internally (and computers), and Microsoft of course. Not to mention all of these company's non-technical organizations leverage Microsoft software because of, you know, the ease of doing business.
    - dabbz 3y ago
      Apple uses their internal apps (Mail, Calendar, Pages, Numbers, Keynote), Slack, and of course the dreaded Webex. You can get licenses to the MS suite of products but most dogfood internal releases of the apps. (source: worked at Apple in 2020).
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    > You're gonna miss out on a lot of upside with that mentality. I doubt i’d miss working on code assembly lines. Plus my contracts are there to pay bills, the real coding and tech happens outside. This mentality brought me a mortgage free house, plenty of savings for the next few years and a solid network of folks whom all know whatsup. I’m doing fine with an owned personality. Probably because once a client agrees to such my “absurd” requests, such as letting me work in an environment i am familiar with since early youth, i give my absolute best to deliver the hard money i’m paid. I’ll even put up with crap such as would be agile and bootcamp “grads”. Heck i’ll even listen to how you think ai will take over your job tomorrow. Just dont mess with my os and chat app.
Roark66 3y ago
I remember teams before the Skype acquisition. It wasn't actually a bad product (i have to admit I only ever used it on internal company networks). I also used Skype for external stuff a lot. When Microsoft bought Skype both tools went to he*. On the actual subject I think "The EU" (really just one agency steered by a bunch of unelected beaurocrats) is way to strict regarding Microsoft and way to lenient towards for example Google. I wonder why that is. Google too bundles it's "Google meet" with it's "office suite". In fact it bundles a lot of stuff. I pay for google's services for their email (mainly antispam) service. I'm getting lots of services in addition. Then let's take Google's play store. You want application analytics? Well firebase is a Google owned service and it enjoys huge privileges on android over everything else (it can collect and send even after the user closes your app). You can even push code and configuration updates. No third party product would ever be allowed to push "unverified" code to android devices via play. How is that not monopolistic? I could name a lot more. There is not even a peep from "the EU" (I put it in quotes, because I too am an EU citizen and I disagree about a lot many of EU agencies are doing,also no one votes for these people, so they certainly don't represent me).

Spare_account 3y ago

As a happy MS Teams user, I'm curious about what issues you experience? Also, if you're willing, I'd be interested to hear which competing products you use and which areas those products outperform MS Teams?

sofixa 3y ago
> As a happy MS Teams user Sounds like Stockholm syndrome. I was a moderately happy Teams user for conferencing before switching jobs to one that uses Zoom for conferencing, but occasionally has to use Teams.. it's not even close. Teams was, and still is, a crapshot if it will mangle my audio settings or not (browser, Ubuntu, macOS, doesn't matter). Camera touch-up is pathetic compared to what Zoom does (I have conflicting natural light). Oh, and logging in is often a pain with a million redirects left and right, a timeout from times to times, etc. Also, sometimes I just can't connect to a meeting, it will keep spinning forever, and I have to use the browser version which has the fun benefit of not having all features (sometimes the chat just isn't there on the browser while it is on the "native" "app").
- bombcar 3y ago
  I think a big part of it is if people use teams mainly as a video calling tool vs a chat tool vs a multiplayer Office tool.
- Spare_account 3y ago
  I wonder if there is a pattern here that people who are complaining about MS Teams are also largely non-Windows users? My company is almost exclusively made up of Windows users and overall, I don't hear many complaints about MS Teams.
dmonitor 3y ago
just look at the teams ui and count how many buttons are on screen crammed under the text box, and how many of those you’ve actually used in a productive manner
ecshafer 3y ago
Teams is the worst software I’ve ever used. I get frequent issues with it connecting to AD. It uses ungodly amounts of ram and cpu. Its ui is unintuitive. It’s really bad at telling who is active away or offline. It’s difficult to tune notifications since it’s chat and channels specific. Its video quality is bad. Its audio quality is bad. You can’t copy and paste code into and out of it easily. The chats have too much white space. There aren’t good emoji options in reactions.
- candiddevmike 3y ago
  I've worked at places that actually _rely_ on Teams away/online to determine if folks are actually working...
Banditoz 3y ago
Every Teams team has a backed Sharepoint site. Hard to watch videos in a Teams team. Why are they files? Two slightly different styles between teams and chats. I also heard they use two separate DBMSes between chats and teams. Pasting formatted code is an exercise in patience. Steps: Click More Formatting Click language dropdown Click language Paste code Click Insert Click send message (it doesn't focus) Discord lets you type three backticks, the language, and three backticks again. No mouse clicks required. Images randomly fail to load. Teams compresses PNGs to JPGs when it sends it to clients, so screenshots of code look like shit. Downloading it gives you the original file. You can only pin up to 15 chats. What product manager at Microsoft decided this completely arbitrary number that obviously is not a technical limitation at the time? Viewing a thread just sucks. Messages don't autoscroll when there's a new message. Good luck following a busy thread. Pasting in stuff from a site pastes formatted. Need to do ctrl-shift-v to paste unformatted. I have yet figured out the behavior of how inline code is supposed to work. Inconsistently it decides to close the block with a closing backtick. Sometimes it ignores it. Their webhook endpoint (for sending in messages to channels) can return a 200 if there is actually a problem delivering the message. I would rather use Slack, IRC, Discord, or even Matrix to name a few.
- bshacklett 3y ago
  For small snippets, three backticks and a space works. My biggest gripe is notifications. There’s no distinction between a direct message and a group chat, including meeting chats. To stop being pinged every time anyone talks to anyone else, you have to disable chat notifications completely. And yes… team channels exist, but very few people actually use them, because ad-hoc group chats are just so much easier. It’s the same with Slack, except that Slack has a reasonable mechanism for handling notifications.
laurels-marts 3y ago
Teams is a laggy and stuttery mess. Why is it so slow even on latest i7 intel and 16gb of RAM? It has 0 of what a native application should actually feel like when using.
nikau 3y ago
> I'm curious about what issues you experience? I especially like it when I switch chats and start typing too early and it either drops the first few words I enter, or they get put in reverse order.

gumballindie 3y ago

> Unless I have no option I'm not working anymore for any company that uses Teams. I made it a personal rules that no company that imposes microsoft products, let alone teams, shall benefit from my services. It’s one of many potential smells of a mediocre environment.

jensensbutton 3y ago
At least 3 of the 5 big tech companies "impose" ms products and have done so for years as they grew. You're gonna miss out on a lot of upside with that mentality. To each their own though.
- ecshafer 3y ago
  Microsoft, Netflix, …? Google has their own stuff. Facebook I am assuming use their own stuff like workplace. Apple I don’t see using Microsoft but I could be wrong. Netflix used / uses? Silver light so I know they have pushed Microsoft stuff l.
  - jensensbutton 3y ago
    Facebook uses Outlook, Amazon uses multiple MS products internally (and computers), and Microsoft of course. Not to mention all of these company's non-technical organizations leverage Microsoft software because of, you know, the ease of doing business.
  - dabbz 3y ago
    Apple uses their internal apps (Mail, Calendar, Pages, Numbers, Keynote), Slack, and of course the dreaded Webex. You can get licenses to the MS suite of products but most dogfood internal releases of the apps. (source: worked at Apple in 2020).
- gumballindie 3y ago
  > You're gonna miss out on a lot of upside with that mentality. I doubt i’d miss working on code assembly lines. Plus my contracts are there to pay bills, the real coding and tech happens outside. This mentality brought me a mortgage free house, plenty of savings for the next few years and a solid network of folks whom all know whatsup. I’m doing fine with an owned personality. Probably because once a client agrees to such my “absurd” requests, such as letting me work in an environment i am familiar with since early youth, i give my absolute best to deliver the hard money i’m paid. I’ll even put up with crap such as would be agile and bootcamp “grads”. Heck i’ll even listen to how you think ai will take over your job tomorrow. Just dont mess with my os and chat app.

Roark66 3y ago

I remember teams before the Skype acquisition. It wasn't actually a bad product (i have to admit I only ever used it on internal company networks). I also used Skype for external stuff a lot. When Microsoft bought Skype both tools went to he*. On the actual subject I think "The EU" (really just one agency steered by a bunch of unelected beaurocrats) is way to strict regarding Microsoft and way to lenient towards for example Google. I wonder why that is. Google too bundles it's "Google meet" with it's "office suite". In fact it bundles a lot of stuff. I pay for google's services for their email (mainly antispam) service. I'm getting lots of services in addition. Then let's take Google's play store. You want application analytics? Well firebase is a Google owned service and it enjoys huge privileges on android over everything else (it can collect and send even after the user closes your app). You can even push code and configuration updates. No third party product would ever be allowed to push "unverified" code to android devices via play. How is that not monopolistic? I could name a lot more. There is not even a peep from "the EU" (I put it in quotes, because I too am an EU citizen and I disagree about a lot many of EU agencies are doing,also no one votes for these people, so they certainly don't represent me).