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> "There is no evidence that the death penalty has a unique deterrent effect or that it has any impact on the use and availability of drugs," said Amnesty Inter

> "There is no evidence that the death penalty has a unique deterrent effect or that it has any impact on the use and availability of drugs," said Amnesty International's Chiara Sangiorgio in a statement. Oh really? Then please explain why there are few death by drugs in such countries while there are hundreds of thousands of deaths due to overdose with opoids in the US as we speak where their use is completely decriminalized? You don't get to say "X does not work to fix Y problem" without doing any kind of homework. Or then, make a statement that "death penalty is bad no matter what", but saying that it's not a deterrent is a very debatable question for drugs.

TinyRick 3y ago
Since when are opiods are decriminalized in the US?
- supazek 3y ago
  In Minnesota I would say it’s de facto decriminalized. I bought a house from a guy who had more than 3 grams of fentanyl and half an ounce of meth when he got busted. His fourth strike with this level felony and overall at least his 10th time in jail. He got a sentence of 14 months in prison. Not exactly hard time for someone who is literally out there killing people. And yes I’m still looking for money buried in the yard
weird-eye-issue 3y ago
Correlation isn't causation or something like that?
whymauri 3y ago
>completely decriminalized? Does decriminalized mean something I'm not aware of? Do you mean that prescriptions are not criminalized? Use? Possession?
wang_li 3y ago
Also the number of people who have been executed who are recidivists is zero. Compared to ~20% in Singapore. So it assuredly reduces some crime.
- deadbeeves 3y ago
  It just means that the professionals don't risk their lives and they're executing desperate people.
PrimeMcFly 3y ago
The death penalty specifically doesn't have a deterrent effect, but as part of a society so strict that wants to use it for almost everything (obviously an exaggeration, but still...) you have plenty of people living in fear and unlikely to try anything. At a great cost even if proponents won't admit it.
owenmarshall 3y ago
In what state other than possibly Oregon could you say opioids are "completely decriminalized"?! The Virginia general assembly[0] just classified illegally produced fentanyl as a weapon of terrorism, and the attorneys general of Florida and Connecticut are pressuring Biden to label it a weapon of mass destruction. [0]: https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?231+ful+CHAP0384 https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?231+ful+CHAP038...
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  They are effectively decriminalized up here in Seattle even if they aren’t officially. The police won’t arrest you unless you are a really big dealer, use in public is tolerated, and king county jails won’t accept arrests for anything less than murder.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  In the Kensington area of Philly you can openly use and sell opioids on the street without consequence. Most cities have similar areas. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12131455/Inside-Philadelphias-zombie-land-Tranq-addicts-crowd-sidewalks-shoot-broad-daylight.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12131455/Inside-Phi...
- Izikiel43 3y ago
  Washington? California?

TinyRick 3y ago

Since when are opiods are decriminalized in the US?

supazek 3y ago
In Minnesota I would say it’s de facto decriminalized. I bought a house from a guy who had more than 3 grams of fentanyl and half an ounce of meth when he got busted. His fourth strike with this level felony and overall at least his 10th time in jail. He got a sentence of 14 months in prison. Not exactly hard time for someone who is literally out there killing people. And yes I’m still looking for money buried in the yard

weird-eye-issue 3y ago

Correlation isn't causation or something like that?

whymauri 3y ago

>completely decriminalized? Does decriminalized mean something I'm not aware of? Do you mean that prescriptions are not criminalized? Use? Possession?

wang_li 3y ago

Also the number of people who have been executed who are recidivists is zero. Compared to ~20% in Singapore. So it assuredly reduces some crime.

deadbeeves 3y ago
It just means that the professionals don't risk their lives and they're executing desperate people.

PrimeMcFly 3y ago

The death penalty specifically doesn't have a deterrent effect, but as part of a society so strict that wants to use it for almost everything (obviously an exaggeration, but still...) you have plenty of people living in fear and unlikely to try anything. At a great cost even if proponents won't admit it.

owenmarshall 3y ago

In what state other than possibly Oregon could you say opioids are "completely decriminalized"?! The Virginia general assembly[0] just classified illegally produced fentanyl as a weapon of terrorism, and the attorneys general of Florida and Connecticut are pressuring Biden to label it a weapon of mass destruction. [0]: https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?231+ful+CHAP0384 https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?231+ful+CHAP038...

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
They are effectively decriminalized up here in Seattle even if they aren’t officially. The police won’t arrest you unless you are a really big dealer, use in public is tolerated, and king county jails won’t accept arrests for anything less than murder.
willcipriano 3y ago
In the Kensington area of Philly you can openly use and sell opioids on the street without consequence. Most cities have similar areas. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12131455/Inside-Philadelphias-zombie-land-Tranq-addicts-crowd-sidewalks-shoot-broad-daylight.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12131455/Inside-Phi...
Izikiel43 3y ago
Washington? California?