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just a heads up that microdosing dmt (non psychoactive doses, just a mg or two) are game changing instant cures for some forms of cluster headaches. Can be wort

just a heads up that microdosing dmt (non psychoactive doses, just a mg or two) are game changing instant cures for some forms of cluster headaches. Can be worth moving to a locale where plant based medicine has at least been decriminalized.

consumer451 3y ago
I have tried everything including off-label surgery, that's one I have not. Thanks.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  By off-label surgery are you referring to trepanning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning Also, on a possibly constructive note, have you investigated mycotoxins or heavy-metals (as a possible cause)?
  - consumer451 3y ago
    > By off-label surgery are you referring to trepanning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning Wow! Jeez, I mean the thought of doing that myself has certainly crossed my mind in semi-jest, mid attack, but nope. I found this old study [0] and based on that I had endoscopic sinus surgery. It stopped a 9 month cluster and I did not have another attack for almost a year. The surgeon did it because my sinuses were opaque, but the reason I did it was with the hope of the chance of cluster benefit. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8924166/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8924166/
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      Poor you! It must be so painful :( Are there any foods or drinks that bring it on or make it worse or better? Sorry if it's a dumb question, I'm just curious!
      - consumer451 3y ago
        Thanks. Alcohol or an empty stomach brings them on, or sometimes they just happen. There is an instant solution to stop the pain, it’s in that study as a footnote I believe. But it’s illegal, extremely habit forming, and very expensive. I have heard that there is a new novocaine nasal spray coming out. That should do the trick if I can ever get my hands on it.
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- pluijzer 3y ago
  Just as another data point, my ex-girlfriend also had debilitating cluster headaches. Psilocybin, not microdosing just tripping on it, would make it stop for a couple of months. Also, you might be familiar that taking pure oxygen during an attack in known to stop the attack. The problem is that it builds a tolerance were you need more and more which brings problems of its own.
  - di456 3y ago
    I know someone who's had success stopping an in-progress visual migraine with low dose psilocybin. They tried it based on some published research. Here's one such study. https://n.neurology.org/content/66/12/1920 https://n.neurology.org/content/66/12/1920
Mumps 3y ago
Do you have any studies you can point me toward on this? A quick pubmed search of `("cluster headache" OR "migraine") AND ("dmt" or "dimethyltryptamine"), 14 results, has nothing relevant. Not all truth is published -- but I frequently see poor claims of using psilocybin ("magic mushrooms") to treat migraine/cluster headache, of which, the clinical effects are potentially dubious [0], [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] in particular which I believe to be an effect driven by the desperation for treatment [6], [7] when nothing else has worked. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22129843/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22129843/ [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33184743/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33184743/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35718005/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35718005/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16801660/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16801660/ [4] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36597700/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36597700/ [5] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36416492/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36416492/ [6] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28870224/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28870224/ [7] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30290701/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30290701/ I get really worried about people suggesting psychoactive drugs with no clinical proof for it :(
- xyzwave 3y ago
  Not sure about DMT, but LSD seems to show promise. https://www.science.org/content/article/lsd-alleviates-suicide-headaches https://www.science.org/content/article/lsd-alleviates-suici...
- nazgulnarsil 3y ago
  Not really, it's mostly gathered from cluster headache forums online.

consumer451 3y ago

I have tried everything including off-label surgery, that's one I have not. Thanks.

keepamovin 3y ago
By off-label surgery are you referring to trepanning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning Also, on a possibly constructive note, have you investigated mycotoxins or heavy-metals (as a possible cause)?
- consumer451 3y ago
  > By off-label surgery are you referring to trepanning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning Wow! Jeez, I mean the thought of doing that myself has certainly crossed my mind in semi-jest, mid attack, but nope. I found this old study [0] and based on that I had endoscopic sinus surgery. It stopped a 9 month cluster and I did not have another attack for almost a year. The surgeon did it because my sinuses were opaque, but the reason I did it was with the hope of the chance of cluster benefit. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8924166/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8924166/
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Poor you! It must be so painful :( Are there any foods or drinks that bring it on or make it worse or better? Sorry if it's a dumb question, I'm just curious!
    - consumer451 3y ago
      Thanks. Alcohol or an empty stomach brings them on, or sometimes they just happen. There is an instant solution to stop the pain, it’s in that study as a footnote I believe. But it’s illegal, extremely habit forming, and very expensive. I have heard that there is a new novocaine nasal spray coming out. That should do the trick if I can ever get my hands on it.
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pluijzer 3y ago
Just as another data point, my ex-girlfriend also had debilitating cluster headaches. Psilocybin, not microdosing just tripping on it, would make it stop for a couple of months. Also, you might be familiar that taking pure oxygen during an attack in known to stop the attack. The problem is that it builds a tolerance were you need more and more which brings problems of its own.
- di456 3y ago
  I know someone who's had success stopping an in-progress visual migraine with low dose psilocybin. They tried it based on some published research. Here's one such study. https://n.neurology.org/content/66/12/1920 https://n.neurology.org/content/66/12/1920

Mumps 3y ago

Do you have any studies you can point me toward on this? A quick pubmed search of `("cluster headache" OR "migraine") AND ("dmt" or "dimethyltryptamine"), 14 results, has nothing relevant. Not all truth is published -- but I frequently see poor claims of using psilocybin ("magic mushrooms") to treat migraine/cluster headache, of which, the clinical effects are potentially dubious [0], [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] in particular which I believe to be an effect driven by the desperation for treatment [6], [7] when nothing else has worked. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22129843/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22129843/ [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33184743/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33184743/ [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35718005/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35718005/ [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16801660/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16801660/ [4] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36597700/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36597700/ [5] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36416492/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36416492/ [6] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28870224/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28870224/ [7] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30290701/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30290701/ I get really worried about people suggesting psychoactive drugs with no clinical proof for it :(

xyzwave 3y ago
Not sure about DMT, but LSD seems to show promise. https://www.science.org/content/article/lsd-alleviates-suicide-headaches https://www.science.org/content/article/lsd-alleviates-suici...
nazgulnarsil 3y ago
Not really, it's mostly gathered from cluster headache forums online.