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I live on a boat on the seine river in meudon, facing boulogne, just outide of paris downhill, about 15mn biking from eiffel towel. Me and our neighboors enjoy

I live on a boat on the seine river in meudon, facing boulogne, just outide of paris downhill, about 15mn biking from eiffel towel. Me and our neighboors enjoy swiming and padding on hot days, many friends are fishing just outside our windows. Like mentioned in the article, we don’t go in the water after heaving rains. It is a wonderful environment with trees and fresh air.

consumer451 3y ago
> we don’t go in the water after heaving rains. I cannot emphasize enough how important this part is. I have a major incurable health issue from ignoring this rule.
- konschubert 3y ago
  Is this general advice or specific to Paris? And what is the background here?
  - dukoid 3y ago
    Heavy rain tends to overloads combined sewer systems, leading to potential discharge of untreated sewage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_sewer#Health_impacts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_sewer#Health_impacts
  - consumer451 3y ago
    This rule applies to any water near land. You get runoff from dog, cat, bird defecation among whatever chemicals may be found on land. This is even if storm water sewage does not overflow. I lived in Key West for half of my life. I got addicted to swimming daily and would always go, no matter what. Now I have sinusitis caused cluster headaches. When I trace back events, the first one happened about a year into the swimming. Now they are truly debilitating. I would even add not swimming during an out-going tide if the water passes by nasty land. (nasty = like seemingly lovely mangroves where birds live or bird poo covered rocks) Now I always check water quality reports to find the cleanest water on vacation as well. Most places do them, even if not advertised.
    - nazgulnarsil 3y ago
      just a heads up that microdosing dmt (non psychoactive doses, just a mg or two) are game changing instant cures for some forms of cluster headaches. Can be worth moving to a locale where plant based medicine has at least been decriminalized.
      - consumer451 3y ago
        I have tried everything including off-label surgery, that's one I have not. Thanks.
        keepamovin 3y ago
        By off-label surgery are you referring to trepanning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning Also, on a possibly constructive note, have you investigated mycotoxins or heavy-metals (as a possible cause)?
        consumer451 3y ago
        > By off-label surgery are you referring to trepanning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning Wow! Jeez, I mean the thought of doing that myself has certainly crossed my mind in semi-jest, mid attack, but nope. I found this old study [0] and based on that I had endoscopic sinus surgery. It stopped a 9 month cluster and I did not have another attack for almost a year. The surgeon did it because my sinuses were opaque, but the reason I did it was with the hope of the chance of cluster benefit. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8924166/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8924166/
        keepamovin 3y ago
        Poor you! It must be so painful :( Are there any foods or drinks that bring it on or make it worse or better? Sorry if it's a dumb question, I'm just curious!
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Sewer overflows will put a lot of really bad stuff into the river in massive quantities.
  - RajT88 3y ago
    This is a big problem for cities as they grow - heavy rains cause sewage outflow events. Chicago has spent 3 billion dollars on a massive underground tunnel system to try and mitigate this to help clean up the Chicago river. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_and_Reservoir_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_and_Reservoir_Plan Some more reading about the river cleanup project: https://interactive.wttw.com/chicago-river-tour/can-we-swim-river-yet https://interactive.wttw.com/chicago-river-tour/can-we-swim-... Anyways - yes - lots of cities near watersheds have this problem. I would say most - fecal coliform counts have been high enough to justify warnings a variety of places I've fished or vacationed. Sometimes not that big of cities.
crossroadsguy 3y ago
You can just live on a boat on a river? I assume it would involve permissions from authorities and some kind of rent etc, right? What do you do for water, electricity, sanitary services, garbage collection et cetera?
- robfitz 3y ago
  There are plenty of river ports/quays with power and water hookups. If you want to houseboat it, you really only need to move when you want to dump the septic tank (and in some areas, not even that). The "good" spots are highly desirable and usually privately owned (or on a very long-term lease), and you often need to buy a boat to get the mooring spot beneath it. (A buddy of mine in London ended up with 3 boats while upgrading his mooring spot.) Another options is to vagabond it, where you move your boat to a new area every week or two -- this is usually unserviced, so it's more like camping, but lets you use unofficial spots and is free. (The last option is to find goofy loopholes. E.g., in some areas of the Thames, you can create a nesting habitat for an endangered bird on your boat, and then once the bird settles in, they can't force you to move, since doing so would destroy an important habitat. Sounds stupid but a surprising number of permanent city boats are there on some sort of loophole.)
  - autoexec 3y ago
    > in some areas of the Thames, you can create a nesting habitat for an endangered bird on your boat, and then once the bird settles in, they can't force you to move, since doing so would destroy an important habitat. Seems like the fix for that would be to force you to leave the boat where it is, but to stay off of it so as not to disturb or disrupt the bird's habitat while at the same time leaving you responsible for rent and the boat's upkeep. That way you'd have an expensive boat you can't use but must also pay for and maintain. The plus side being that nobody in their right mind would try to attract endangered birds, the downside being that in order to avoid the costs, a cruel person might harm the bird if it happened to build a nest on their boat naturally (not sure how often that actually happens when people aren't intentionally building habitats for them). It's possible that discouraging that kind of thing just isn't worth it. Maybe the people taking up space with their houseboats aren't as big a problem as there not being enough nice habitats for a struggling species, and the loophole is a net good for the restoration of the bird population without being a major problem for others.
bambax 3y ago
The distance from, say, Île Seguin to the Eiffel tower is more like 8km; certainly less than 10. I also live in Meudon (in the hills); I recently bought an inflatable kayak to try it on the Seine but have not dared use it yet, and so far also failed to convince my kids to try it with me ;-(
StackOverlord 3y ago
Here we are, born to be kings We're the princes of the universe Here we belong, fighting to survive In a world with the darkest powers Heh And here we are, we're the princes of the universe Here we belong, fighting for survival We've come to be the rulers of you all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypyvcfnu4Gg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypyvcfnu4Gg

consumer451 3y ago

> we don’t go in the water after heaving rains. I cannot emphasize enough how important this part is. I have a major incurable health issue from ignoring this rule.

konschubert 3y ago
Is this general advice or specific to Paris? And what is the background here?
- dukoid 3y ago
  Heavy rain tends to overloads combined sewer systems, leading to potential discharge of untreated sewage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_sewer#Health_impacts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_sewer#Health_impacts
- consumer451 3y ago
  This rule applies to any water near land. You get runoff from dog, cat, bird defecation among whatever chemicals may be found on land. This is even if storm water sewage does not overflow. I lived in Key West for half of my life. I got addicted to swimming daily and would always go, no matter what. Now I have sinusitis caused cluster headaches. When I trace back events, the first one happened about a year into the swimming. Now they are truly debilitating. I would even add not swimming during an out-going tide if the water passes by nasty land. (nasty = like seemingly lovely mangroves where birds live or bird poo covered rocks) Now I always check water quality reports to find the cleanest water on vacation as well. Most places do them, even if not advertised.
  - nazgulnarsil 3y ago
    just a heads up that microdosing dmt (non psychoactive doses, just a mg or two) are game changing instant cures for some forms of cluster headaches. Can be worth moving to a locale where plant based medicine has at least been decriminalized.
    - consumer451 3y ago
      I have tried everything including off-label surgery, that's one I have not. Thanks.
      - keepamovin 3y ago
        By off-label surgery are you referring to trepanning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning Also, on a possibly constructive note, have you investigated mycotoxins or heavy-metals (as a possible cause)?
        consumer451 3y ago
        > By off-label surgery are you referring to trepanning? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanning Wow! Jeez, I mean the thought of doing that myself has certainly crossed my mind in semi-jest, mid attack, but nope. I found this old study [0] and based on that I had endoscopic sinus surgery. It stopped a 9 month cluster and I did not have another attack for almost a year. The surgeon did it because my sinuses were opaque, but the reason I did it was with the hope of the chance of cluster benefit. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8924166/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8924166/
        keepamovin 3y ago
        Poor you! It must be so painful :( Are there any foods or drinks that bring it on or make it worse or better? Sorry if it's a dumb question, I'm just curious!
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Sewer overflows will put a lot of really bad stuff into the river in massive quantities.
- RajT88 3y ago
  This is a big problem for cities as they grow - heavy rains cause sewage outflow events. Chicago has spent 3 billion dollars on a massive underground tunnel system to try and mitigate this to help clean up the Chicago river. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_and_Reservoir_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_and_Reservoir_Plan Some more reading about the river cleanup project: https://interactive.wttw.com/chicago-river-tour/can-we-swim-river-yet https://interactive.wttw.com/chicago-river-tour/can-we-swim-... Anyways - yes - lots of cities near watersheds have this problem. I would say most - fecal coliform counts have been high enough to justify warnings a variety of places I've fished or vacationed. Sometimes not that big of cities.

crossroadsguy 3y ago

You can just live on a boat on a river? I assume it would involve permissions from authorities and some kind of rent etc, right? What do you do for water, electricity, sanitary services, garbage collection et cetera?

robfitz 3y ago
There are plenty of river ports/quays with power and water hookups. If you want to houseboat it, you really only need to move when you want to dump the septic tank (and in some areas, not even that). The "good" spots are highly desirable and usually privately owned (or on a very long-term lease), and you often need to buy a boat to get the mooring spot beneath it. (A buddy of mine in London ended up with 3 boats while upgrading his mooring spot.) Another options is to vagabond it, where you move your boat to a new area every week or two -- this is usually unserviced, so it's more like camping, but lets you use unofficial spots and is free. (The last option is to find goofy loopholes. E.g., in some areas of the Thames, you can create a nesting habitat for an endangered bird on your boat, and then once the bird settles in, they can't force you to move, since doing so would destroy an important habitat. Sounds stupid but a surprising number of permanent city boats are there on some sort of loophole.)
- autoexec 3y ago
  > in some areas of the Thames, you can create a nesting habitat for an endangered bird on your boat, and then once the bird settles in, they can't force you to move, since doing so would destroy an important habitat. Seems like the fix for that would be to force you to leave the boat where it is, but to stay off of it so as not to disturb or disrupt the bird's habitat while at the same time leaving you responsible for rent and the boat's upkeep. That way you'd have an expensive boat you can't use but must also pay for and maintain. The plus side being that nobody in their right mind would try to attract endangered birds, the downside being that in order to avoid the costs, a cruel person might harm the bird if it happened to build a nest on their boat naturally (not sure how often that actually happens when people aren't intentionally building habitats for them). It's possible that discouraging that kind of thing just isn't worth it. Maybe the people taking up space with their houseboats aren't as big a problem as there not being enough nice habitats for a struggling species, and the loophole is a net good for the restoration of the bird population without being a major problem for others.

bambax 3y ago

The distance from, say, Île Seguin to the Eiffel tower is more like 8km; certainly less than 10. I also live in Meudon (in the hills); I recently bought an inflatable kayak to try it on the Seine but have not dared use it yet, and so far also failed to convince my kids to try it with me ;-(

StackOverlord 3y ago

Here we are, born to be kings We're the princes of the universe Here we belong, fighting to survive In a world with the darkest powers Heh And here we are, we're the princes of the universe Here we belong, fighting for survival We've come to be the rulers of you all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypyvcfnu4Gg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypyvcfnu4Gg