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Not to be that guy, but it’s unreadable either zoomed in or in reader mode either horizontal or landscape on iOS. Colin, could the website be updated to the 20

Not to be that guy, but it’s unreadable either zoomed in or in reader mode either horizontal or landscape on iOS. Colin, could the website be updated to the 2010s? :P

ehPReth 3y ago
This should work in reader mode: https://pastebin.com/raw/hanm8mgG https://pastebin.com/raw/hanm8mgG
- switch007 3y ago
  Thanks!
memefrog 3y ago
It's a mailing list archive. Use a real computer.
- switch007 3y ago
  How dare I use my phone before I get to my computer.
Semaphor 3y ago
Just FYI, Firefox Reader mode works great with it.
- kevincox 3y ago
  "Great" is a bit of a stretch as there are random short lines where they were originally hard-wrapped. But it certainly does make it readable.
TheDong 3y ago
It's not Colin's fault that you're using a browser that can't render an html rendition of an email which has been widely in use since before iOS existed. This is entirely Safari's fault for not having good compatibility with a common existing webpage format. Anyway, if you're the intended audience (someone using tarsnap), you also received a copy to your email address, where you can read the text with your email reader of choice.
- deleted 3y ago
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- Kwpolska 3y ago
  How should a browser differentiate between a <pre> of hard-wrapped prose (that it could reflow in reader mode) and a <pre> of code?
  - TheDong 3y ago
    In an email you can't of course since an email could contain one, the other, or a mix. And, in fact, most mailing list emails I read these days do contain code and code reviews. However, if the user clicked the "reader mode" button, that's a good sign the user thinks this is reflowable text. Firefox's reader mode figures this out. Safari's doesn't.
    - Kwpolska 3y ago
      Or you might use Reader Mode on a programming blog, which has both prose and code, and you wouldn’t want to change the code in that case.
- switch007 3y ago
  A <pre> is the correct kind of HTML use for the body of plain text email ? It looks like paragraphs of text to me. <p> is far more appropriate That isn’t apple’s problem, nor mine.
  - TheDong 3y ago
    pre is the only correct element to use since in many emails, the exact formatting and linebreaks and such are important. For example, a code review on a mailing list can only make sense with the linebreaks and spacing preserved. However, as you knew to try, there is "reader mode", which is meant to heuristically ignore the exact html in order to display textual content. Firefox's reader mode has no trouble figuring out that this is a block of text that can be reflowed. Safari's heuristics clearly fall short on one of the more common kinds of textual blurbs you might want to reader-view-ize. Seems like a safari problem to me.
GhostWhisperer 3y ago
edit: i assumed the parent did not know how to do that, i tried locally and it seemed to work, but i did not pay attention to the text original: on the left side of the url input field you'll find "AA"(the first smaller then the seconds), tap that then, near the bottom of the pop-up menu you'll have "Show Reader", tap that if you're not happy with the text as displayed then, you can go back to the "AA" menu and change the options
- fhars 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - GhostWhisperer 3y ago
    oh shit, i'm sorry
jpc0 3y ago
Works fine for me, on iOS, in safari.
LukeShu 3y ago
It's off-the-shelf MHonArc[1]. If implementing a decent mailing list archive were a prerequisite to launching a business, no business would ever be launched. [1]: https://www.mhonarc.org/ https://www.mhonarc.org/
dang 3y ago
"Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- switch007 3y ago
  Shame. It actually spawned an interesting discussion about reader mode, ASCII emails, browser rendering engines and the meeting of old and new. And I learnt things.
  - dang 3y ago
    I believe you and yes those are upsides - but we have to moderate for how these things work in general, and in general the downside of such digressions is much greater.

Not to be that guy, but it’s unreadable either zoomed in or in reader mode either horizontal or landscape on iOS. Colin, could the website be updated to the 2010s? :P

ehPReth 3y ago

This should work in reader mode: https://pastebin.com/raw/hanm8mgG https://pastebin.com/raw/hanm8mgG

switch007 3y ago
Thanks!

memefrog 3y ago

It's a mailing list archive. Use a real computer.

switch007 3y ago
How dare I use my phone before I get to my computer.

Semaphor 3y ago

Just FYI, Firefox Reader mode works great with it.

kevincox 3y ago
"Great" is a bit of a stretch as there are random short lines where they were originally hard-wrapped. But it certainly does make it readable.

TheDong 3y ago

It's not Colin's fault that you're using a browser that can't render an html rendition of an email which has been widely in use since before iOS existed. This is entirely Safari's fault for not having good compatibility with a common existing webpage format. Anyway, if you're the intended audience (someone using tarsnap), you also received a copy to your email address, where you can read the text with your email reader of choice.

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Kwpolska 3y ago
How should a browser differentiate between a <pre> of hard-wrapped prose (that it could reflow in reader mode) and a <pre> of code?
- TheDong 3y ago
  In an email you can't of course since an email could contain one, the other, or a mix. And, in fact, most mailing list emails I read these days do contain code and code reviews. However, if the user clicked the "reader mode" button, that's a good sign the user thinks this is reflowable text. Firefox's reader mode figures this out. Safari's doesn't.
  - Kwpolska 3y ago
    Or you might use Reader Mode on a programming blog, which has both prose and code, and you wouldn’t want to change the code in that case.
switch007 3y ago
A <pre> is the correct kind of HTML use for the body of plain text email ? It looks like paragraphs of text to me. <p> is far more appropriate That isn’t apple’s problem, nor mine.
- TheDong 3y ago
  pre is the only correct element to use since in many emails, the exact formatting and linebreaks and such are important. For example, a code review on a mailing list can only make sense with the linebreaks and spacing preserved. However, as you knew to try, there is "reader mode", which is meant to heuristically ignore the exact html in order to display textual content. Firefox's reader mode has no trouble figuring out that this is a block of text that can be reflowed. Safari's heuristics clearly fall short on one of the more common kinds of textual blurbs you might want to reader-view-ize. Seems like a safari problem to me.

GhostWhisperer 3y ago

edit: i assumed the parent did not know how to do that, i tried locally and it seemed to work, but i did not pay attention to the text original: on the left side of the url input field you'll find "AA"(the first smaller then the seconds), tap that then, near the bottom of the pop-up menu you'll have "Show Reader", tap that if you're not happy with the text as displayed then, you can go back to the "AA" menu and change the options

fhars 3y ago
[flagged]
- GhostWhisperer 3y ago
  oh shit, i'm sorry

jpc0 3y ago

Works fine for me, on iOS, in safari.

LukeShu 3y ago

It's off-the-shelf MHonArc[1]. If implementing a decent mailing list archive were a prerequisite to launching a business, no business would ever be launched. [1]: https://www.mhonarc.org/ https://www.mhonarc.org/

dang 3y ago

"Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

switch007 3y ago
Shame. It actually spawned an interesting discussion about reader mode, ASCII emails, browser rendering engines and the meeting of old and new. And I learnt things.
- dang 3y ago
  I believe you and yes those are upsides - but we have to moderate for how these things work in general, and in general the downside of such digressions is much greater.