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Satanic Panic

22 points by rendx 3y ago

cs702 3y ago
The capacity of human beings for believing utterly idiotic things and acting on them -- things supported neither by facts nor reason -- never ceases to amaze me. Sigh.
- zionchild 3y ago
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  - defrost 3y ago
    May you be wrapped in the caring embrace of Wagyl*. * or as many, few, or none deities as suits your personal belief
adamredwoods 3y ago
The documentary, The Decline of Western Civilization Part II, contains an authoritarian woman speaking how heavy metal music was associated with the devil, due to a hand sign. (Also featuring a younger Ozzy Ozbourne!) Very humorous to look back on now, as this all was merely a form of fashion and self-expression. (warning NSFW, language, sexuality) https://youtu.be/ivSQcG4rb5M?t=3295 https://youtu.be/ivSQcG4rb5M?t=3295
akomtu 3y ago
Look up pictures of the Japan Demon (Oni) Festival and compare that with drag shows. Next, type the words "drag show" in the search bar (google or bing) and see the suggested continuations. Make your own conclusions.
- herculity275 3y ago
  Look up pictures of the Star Wars (Holiday) Special and compare that to furry cons. Next type the words "furry con" in the search bar (google or bing) and see the suggested continuations. Make your own conclusions.
  - akomtu 3y ago
    One is a fiction made up in holywood, the other is a reality created by a political party.
cempaka 3y ago
Naturally, no mention in this article of Michael Aquino, the US Army Colonel who wrote the book on psychological operations, openly bragged about performing a ritual with a Nazi SS dagger at Wewelsburg Castle, and was credibly accused by children in the Presidio daycare scandal, who themselves exhibited physical signs of abuse and could describe details of the interior of Aquino's house. But I'm sure if anything like that had actually happened, you would have heard about it already. The thing I don't get about Satanism/witchcraft and the like is, either you take it seriously, in which case is it really a great idea to be cutting deals with these powerful interdimensional entities for your own benefit? Or with Laveyan Satanism it's basically "Ayn Rand with magic." OR you don't take it seriously, in which case it's sort of overly theatric and involved (and hence pathetic) edgelordery.
- akomtu 3y ago
  Those who are serious believe that they'll get power over others if they please their cruel deity. Those who arent serious fall victims of their vices. Lust brings them to sex clubs where they can do things generally unacceptable. Less common is desire for secret knowledge to get an edge over others. Such is the threefold division of satanism: selfish ambition for the strong willed, desire of occult knowledge for the smart ones, and unhinged sexuality for the rest. Your example with a Nazi SS officer shows how one man can combine all three vices. On the outside, such a sect usually appears as a criminal org, with an unusual initiation rite, like yakuzas or some mexican drug cartels. Wars enable these sects to "upgrade" to something like unit 731.
- DoItToMe81 3y ago
  The kids 'involved' in satanic ritual abuse "accurately" described many things, because they were questioned by adults who had the goal of guiding them to what they thought was the right answer, and connecting any vague statement they made to it. Some to the point of berating and threatening them, if they did not give the answers desired. Satanists do not go around making ritual child rape altars. That is so fucking ridiculous that it should immediately fail the sniff test for anybody.
  - cempaka 3y ago
Borrible 3y ago
Meanwhile, the public was feasting on this red herring, thousands of minors were being abused and heavily mistreated by priests and employees of Catholic institutions. Of course, the flesh is weak, isn't it.
- krapp 3y ago
  And now the GOP is fearmongering about transgender "groomers" and satanic sex-slave cabals within "the left." Makes you wonder what they're trying to deflect attention from.
  - somewhat_drunk 3y ago
    Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.
herbst 3y ago
There is a new phenomenon like this, at least in German speaking countries, not sure how wide spread it is otherwise. But there is this is idea that people have been abused in their youth by some satanic cults and they made them completely forget. So it needs a 'enlighted' (often esotheric) therapist to make these abuse reappear. So in the past years more and more ritual abuse gets 'uncovered' that has virtually zero truth and is completely fabricated by the therapists. Srf did a great German Doku on it: https://youtu.be/dF7XJ5OZn44 https://youtu.be/dF7XJ5OZn44 Some German funk YouTube channels also picked the topic up but totally missed to point out that something appears to be wrong about these stories
- pbak 3y ago
  And then you have the French, Dutch and Belgian case of the pedocriminal network which was unearthed after the Dutroux affair, which, inspired themselves of these late 70s-early 80s satanic panics, started abusing children in a false satanic ritual settings, terrorizing them, and making thus sure the claim wouldn't be taken as seriously as they should have.
  - gmerc 3y ago
    You don’t need a conspiracy for these things, you just need power imbalance and lack of accountability- the basic ingredients to conservative society: Laws that protect the in group and constrain the out group. Catholic Church - Everywhere BBC Celebrity Scandals Epstein Canadian “Native” Schools etc. etc. These things aren’t suppressed by conspiracies they exist under the eyes of conservative societies where the image someone or an organization organization projects and maintaining it is more important than reality.
- rendx 3y ago
  The Wikipedia article links to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rituelle_Gewalt https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rituelle_Gewalt as the German "equivalent" to the Satanic Panic article, and mentions this more recent debate there in more detail. It also in my eyes cites in a more balanced way how there is a difference between "satanic ritualistic abuse" and "child abuse using pseudo-religious cult structures" (where the primary purpose is the abuse, not some spiritual beliefs), which does exist.
gmerc 3y ago
PizzaGate 1.0: Dungeons & Dragons edition.
LennyHenrysNuts 3y ago
Lived through the OG satanic panic and as a D&D playing metalhead it sucked.

22 points by rendx 3y ago

The capacity of human beings for believing utterly idiotic things and acting on them -- things supported neither by facts nor reason -- never ceases to amaze me. Sigh.

zionchild 3y ago
[flagged]
- defrost 3y ago
  May you be wrapped in the caring embrace of Wagyl*. * or as many, few, or none deities as suits your personal belief

adamredwoods 3y ago

The documentary, The Decline of Western Civilization Part II, contains an authoritarian woman speaking how heavy metal music was associated with the devil, due to a hand sign. (Also featuring a younger Ozzy Ozbourne!) Very humorous to look back on now, as this all was merely a form of fashion and self-expression. (warning NSFW, language, sexuality) https://youtu.be/ivSQcG4rb5M?t=3295 https://youtu.be/ivSQcG4rb5M?t=3295

akomtu 3y ago

Look up pictures of the Japan Demon (Oni) Festival and compare that with drag shows. Next, type the words "drag show" in the search bar (google or bing) and see the suggested continuations. Make your own conclusions.

herculity275 3y ago
Look up pictures of the Star Wars (Holiday) Special and compare that to furry cons. Next type the words "furry con" in the search bar (google or bing) and see the suggested continuations. Make your own conclusions.
- akomtu 3y ago
  One is a fiction made up in holywood, the other is a reality created by a political party.

cempaka 3y ago

Naturally, no mention in this article of Michael Aquino, the US Army Colonel who wrote the book on psychological operations, openly bragged about performing a ritual with a Nazi SS dagger at Wewelsburg Castle, and was credibly accused by children in the Presidio daycare scandal, who themselves exhibited physical signs of abuse and could describe details of the interior of Aquino's house. But I'm sure if anything like that had actually happened, you would have heard about it already. The thing I don't get about Satanism/witchcraft and the like is, either you take it seriously, in which case is it really a great idea to be cutting deals with these powerful interdimensional entities for your own benefit? Or with Laveyan Satanism it's basically "Ayn Rand with magic." OR you don't take it seriously, in which case it's sort of overly theatric and involved (and hence pathetic) edgelordery.

akomtu 3y ago
Those who are serious believe that they'll get power over others if they please their cruel deity. Those who arent serious fall victims of their vices. Lust brings them to sex clubs where they can do things generally unacceptable. Less common is desire for secret knowledge to get an edge over others. Such is the threefold division of satanism: selfish ambition for the strong willed, desire of occult knowledge for the smart ones, and unhinged sexuality for the rest. Your example with a Nazi SS officer shows how one man can combine all three vices. On the outside, such a sect usually appears as a criminal org, with an unusual initiation rite, like yakuzas or some mexican drug cartels. Wars enable these sects to "upgrade" to something like unit 731.
DoItToMe81 3y ago
The kids 'involved' in satanic ritual abuse "accurately" described many things, because they were questioned by adults who had the goal of guiding them to what they thought was the right answer, and connecting any vague statement they made to it. Some to the point of berating and threatening them, if they did not give the answers desired. Satanists do not go around making ritual child rape altars. That is so fucking ridiculous that it should immediately fail the sniff test for anybody.
- cempaka 3y ago

Borrible 3y ago

Meanwhile, the public was feasting on this red herring, thousands of minors were being abused and heavily mistreated by priests and employees of Catholic institutions. Of course, the flesh is weak, isn't it.

krapp 3y ago
And now the GOP is fearmongering about transgender "groomers" and satanic sex-slave cabals within "the left." Makes you wonder what they're trying to deflect attention from.
- somewhat_drunk 3y ago
  Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.

herbst 3y ago

There is a new phenomenon like this, at least in German speaking countries, not sure how wide spread it is otherwise. But there is this is idea that people have been abused in their youth by some satanic cults and they made them completely forget. So it needs a 'enlighted' (often esotheric) therapist to make these abuse reappear. So in the past years more and more ritual abuse gets 'uncovered' that has virtually zero truth and is completely fabricated by the therapists. Srf did a great German Doku on it: https://youtu.be/dF7XJ5OZn44 https://youtu.be/dF7XJ5OZn44 Some German funk YouTube channels also picked the topic up but totally missed to point out that something appears to be wrong about these stories

pbak 3y ago
And then you have the French, Dutch and Belgian case of the pedocriminal network which was unearthed after the Dutroux affair, which, inspired themselves of these late 70s-early 80s satanic panics, started abusing children in a false satanic ritual settings, terrorizing them, and making thus sure the claim wouldn't be taken as seriously as they should have.
- gmerc 3y ago
  You don’t need a conspiracy for these things, you just need power imbalance and lack of accountability- the basic ingredients to conservative society: Laws that protect the in group and constrain the out group. Catholic Church - Everywhere BBC Celebrity Scandals Epstein Canadian “Native” Schools etc. etc. These things aren’t suppressed by conspiracies they exist under the eyes of conservative societies where the image someone or an organization organization projects and maintaining it is more important than reality.
rendx 3y ago
The Wikipedia article links to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rituelle_Gewalt https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rituelle_Gewalt as the German "equivalent" to the Satanic Panic article, and mentions this more recent debate there in more detail. It also in my eyes cites in a more balanced way how there is a difference between "satanic ritualistic abuse" and "child abuse using pseudo-religious cult structures" (where the primary purpose is the abuse, not some spiritual beliefs), which does exist.

gmerc 3y ago

PizzaGate 1.0: Dungeons & Dragons edition.

LennyHenrysNuts 3y ago

Lived through the OG satanic panic and as a D&D playing metalhead it sucked.