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> At that point, it will be up to websites that rely on AdSense revenue to decide what to do with customers they aren't monetizing. Isn’t this a no brainer? Ad
by Xenoamorphous 3y ago
> At that point, it will be up to websites that rely on AdSense revenue to decide what to do with customers they aren't monetizing.
Isn’t this a no brainer? Ad funded websites have zero incentive to serve pages to ad blocker users. Not only they don’t make any money from them, they cost them money.
- wbobeirne 3y agoI run an ad blocker on all of my devices (mix of uBlock or Brave browser) and I'm pretty surprised how infrequently sites ask me to disable it to access content. Not sure if your experience is different.
- vbezhenar 3y agoProbably because ublock deletes those “disable Adblock“ screens.
- wbobeirne 3y agoAny proper gate for a user to access content should be managed by a server, not on the client side. It would have to be the same for WEI. If they can detect that I'm using an adblocker, there's no reason they couldn't prevent me from accessing content by not even serving the content in the first place.
- anonymous_sorry 3y agoUnless they can only detect it with client-side code?
- omoikane 3y agoIt's a cat and mouse game between the ad-blockers and ad-blocker-blockers. I imagine if WEI actually becomes a thing, WEI countermeasures will also emerge, and WEI counter-countermeasures soon after. A better plan might be for websites to find some a better way to sustain themselves, possibly by running ads that are more relevant and less obnoxious so that users wouldn't block them.
- blibble 3y agothe point of remote attestation is the environment the client is running in can be measured by the server and any tampering detected tampering meaning running your code instead of theirs
- hellojesus 3y agoThe conflict emerges because the device is mine, not theirs. I ask for content, they send it. It seems am unfair burden to collude with os and hardware manufactures to force the user to give up general computing in order to visit an otherwise unknown web page. It would be a much better experience to go dark with content like Twitter has done than to remove general computing from the web.
- bmacho 3y agoUsers that use ad blockers and are served - cost mostly marginal money - continue to use your platform, potentially watch ads later - their usage can be sold to anyone: where are they at a given time and what are they doing - don't go to rival platforms - tell their friends about the website - etc
- lnxg33k1 3y agoI visit a lot of websites that show blank pages upon seeing that I have an adblocker, so the technology to prevent serving those who have adblock is still there, I 100% of the time, saw the message to disable adblocker and just left the website. This tech is not to prevent serving content to people who adblock, this technology is to make sure that people don't have the ability to make that choice and force certain setups that prevent adblocking
- Xenoamorphous 3y agoShowing some ads in an ad funded website is the admission fee. You’re not willing to pay it, which is completely fine, so just don’t go to that website. But if you keep coning back to an ad funded website because you enjoy their content, it’s only fair that you disable the ad blocker in that site. Those sites that showed you the “disable ad blocker” pop up that prompted you to leaving won’t miss you.
- jalfresi 3y agoIts not an admission fee. The website is hosted on a publicly accessible web server. There is no admission fee. The browser I am using serves my purposes; if I wish to strip certain elements from the page, add new ones or reformat the page any way I see fit, I can and am allowed to. The point Google seem to be making quite clearly, is that the browser does not serve my needs, but the needs of Googles paying customers.
- Xenoamorphous 3y agoWe're talking about ethics here, not laws nor what's technically possible. You want to support the ad-funded website you keep coming to, yes or no? Yeah ideally every website would have a paid option for the HN crowd with cushy jobs, but that's not always feasible.
- account42 3y ago> We're talking about ethics here, not laws nor what's technically possible. In that case, ads, being psychological manipulation to get users to do things they would not otherwise do, are already highly unethical. The ethical think to do is to discourage their use, which includes blocking them for yourself thus making them less profitable overall.
- Cort3z 3y agoFiguring out and serving the site to display the “disable Adblock” is likely more costly than to serve the content (unless its video). That being said; creators needs money to keep making what they are making. Too bad ads is such an all encompassing method. The web is literally worse with it, but would not have been as big without it.
- account42 3y ago> That being said; creators needs money to keep making what they are making. Many ad-supported sites rely on unpaid users for content.