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Another bit of context: OSM mappers were quite discontent with edits of many of Overture members. Be it low-paid contractors or bulk importing stuff that AI der

Another bit of context: OSM mappers were quite discontent with edits of many of Overture members. Be it low-paid contractors or bulk importing stuff that AI derived from satellite imagery.

grishka 3y ago
> bulk importing stuff that AI derived from satellite imagery. That's a thing? This must explain why Google Maps turned into shit over the last few years. Google seems obsessed with replacing humans with half-assed automation.
- RicoElectrico 3y ago
  Yes, indeed. Google AI mapped skylights (roof windows) on a shopping mall near me as buildings.
  - grishka 3y ago
    In my city they made several buildings that overlap a river, and several more that overlap each other. It's been like that for at least 3 years.
    - solardev 3y ago
      Sounds like a fun city!
- culi 3y ago
  I don't understand why big corporations find it so hard to see that the real potential in AI is usually in augmenting, not _replacing_, human labor Imagine how useful tools like that can be if they just had a human review process. That added step in the process not only improves the quality of the final data but provides important feedback to improve the tool itself
  - mdaniel 3y ago
    > I don't understand why big corporations find it so hard to see that the real potential in AI is usually in augmenting, not _replacing_, human labor IMHO because now I have twice as much work: knowing the problem domain and reviewing someone else's contribution. It's like code review 24/7 from untrusted contributors: it requires more focus than just trying to understand and author the original contribution
    - nine_k 3y ago
      Not entirely like that; it's mostly fixing small edge cases when the bulk of the work has been done correctly. Think about e.g. automatic background removal from photos: most of the time you only need to introduce small corrections, instead of painstakingly tracing shapes by hand. But without these corrections the results are often slightly but visibly incorrect.
      - mdaniel 3y ago
        > Not entirely like that; it's mostly fixing small edge cases when the bulk of the work has been done correctly Well, I guess one can just continue to prompt any such AI over and over "have you done it correctly? No? Then try harder" I recognize that my experiences and expectations from AI differ from seemingly the vast majority of users who get benefit from it. I'm glad for them, but I don't ever want to opt-in to having "AI assistance" because with the current state of the art it generates more work for me than value in my life
culi 3y ago
Do you know when these contributions began? Has the scene changed much since then?
- matkoniecz 3y ago
  First known corporation detected by https://piebro.github.io/openstreetmap-statistics/#b34d https://piebro.github.io/openstreetmap-statistics/#b34d was in 2008.

Another bit of context: OSM mappers were quite discontent with edits of many of Overture members. Be it low-paid contractors or bulk importing stuff that AI derived from satellite imagery.

grishka 3y ago

> bulk importing stuff that AI derived from satellite imagery. That's a thing? This must explain why Google Maps turned into shit over the last few years. Google seems obsessed with replacing humans with half-assed automation.

RicoElectrico 3y ago
Yes, indeed. Google AI mapped skylights (roof windows) on a shopping mall near me as buildings.
- grishka 3y ago
  In my city they made several buildings that overlap a river, and several more that overlap each other. It's been like that for at least 3 years.
  - solardev 3y ago
    Sounds like a fun city!
culi 3y ago
I don't understand why big corporations find it so hard to see that the real potential in AI is usually in augmenting, not _replacing_, human labor Imagine how useful tools like that can be if they just had a human review process. That added step in the process not only improves the quality of the final data but provides important feedback to improve the tool itself
- mdaniel 3y ago
  > I don't understand why big corporations find it so hard to see that the real potential in AI is usually in augmenting, not _replacing_, human labor IMHO because now I have twice as much work: knowing the problem domain and reviewing someone else's contribution. It's like code review 24/7 from untrusted contributors: it requires more focus than just trying to understand and author the original contribution
  - nine_k 3y ago
    Not entirely like that; it's mostly fixing small edge cases when the bulk of the work has been done correctly. Think about e.g. automatic background removal from photos: most of the time you only need to introduce small corrections, instead of painstakingly tracing shapes by hand. But without these corrections the results are often slightly but visibly incorrect.
    - mdaniel 3y ago
      > Not entirely like that; it's mostly fixing small edge cases when the bulk of the work has been done correctly Well, I guess one can just continue to prompt any such AI over and over "have you done it correctly? No? Then try harder" I recognize that my experiences and expectations from AI differ from seemingly the vast majority of users who get benefit from it. I'm glad for them, but I don't ever want to opt-in to having "AI assistance" because with the current state of the art it generates more work for me than value in my life

culi 3y ago

Do you know when these contributions began? Has the scene changed much since then?

matkoniecz 3y ago
First known corporation detected by https://piebro.github.io/openstreetmap-statistics/#b34d https://piebro.github.io/openstreetmap-statistics/#b34d was in 2008.