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Aside from "the dark web," are there any efforts to create an impossible-to-censor parallel version or subset of the internet?
by mikece 3y ago
Aside from "the dark web," are there any efforts to create an impossible-to-censor parallel version or subset of the internet?
- StuntPope 3y agoNostr and SimpleX look promising.
- CamperBob2 3y agoYou can rarely solve a social problem by technical means alone. Get involved. The reason the government is full of decrepit dotards, blustering fanatics, and greedy criminals is because nobody else seems to want to participate anymore.
- varispeed 3y agoWho wants to hide whatever, can already assume the current methods of communications are compromised. I think it will be a cat and mouse game, where people will be finding more and more creative ways of exchanging keys and disguising encrypted messages in seemingly normal conversations or images. It will be again something that won't affect serious criminals, but will give government an insight into who is committing wrong think of the given year (as these things change over time). I can also imagine, given the wages in the UK are pretty bad, especially for engineers, many of those working on the necessary infrastructure would be tempted by the ideas of insider trading, leaking company and private secrets to the highest bidder and so on. It feels like this government just doesn't give a flying toss and they just want take a dip into people private lives and see what they can get out of it. What is even more worrying is that the opposition also supports this bill.
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y agoNo because people with enough influence will terminate your hosting, domain name, isp, bank account, or just get your site blocked. See kiwi farms, nigel farage, and the wikipedia-iwf dust-up. Mastodon and the fediverse are close, maybe, but many instances refuse to "speak" to one another because of their users.
- mc32 3y agoExactly. Last election cycle we saw all sorts of excuses to deplatform certain communities and viewpoints, some very disagreeable but some just had a different point of view on some health related topics.
- bonzini 3y ago[flagged]
- Pannoniae 3y agoIt is a very good example though.... It's a horrendous site, but freedom of speech doesn't only apply to people I like or accept. Censorship always starts with the weakest and most hated target, then moves onto the less controversial ones.
- bonzini 3y ago> freedom of speech doesn't only apply to people I like or accept That is not the case in large parts of the world. WikiLeaks might be a better example.
- Pannoniae 3y ago"That is not the case in large parts of the world" that doesn't mean giving up and accepting it. "Are you defending X?"-type attacks are horrendous and just contribute to polarisation. Everyone deserves free speech, not just people I like.
- bonzini 3y agoIn large parts of the world people might not agree that everyone deserves free speech. Sorry for the early Godwin, but for example Nazi apology is not protected in Germany and I suspect most Germans agree that it shouldn't. Personally I am not sure why users and admins of Kiwifarms are not considered to be complicit in harassment and stalking (and also how in the world SWATting can basically go unpunished), which are crimes and not even protected by the first amendment. In contrast whistleblowing is protected.
- IshKebab 3y agoThere's Freenet but these sorts of projects generally have issues because the biggest segments of society that want impossible-to-censor are also the worst.
- kypro 3y agoWasn't this somewhat true of VPNs say 10 years ago? My perception back then was that people who used VPNs were generally dodgy people who wanted to illegally download things online or mask their identity while doing various other illegal things. But in recent years geo-restrictions, ISP blacklists, and data collection have forced more and more users to use VPNs to the point where their use today is fairly common. Obviously I'm not in favour of this legislation, but I would hope that the more the governments seek to censor content and attack encryption online the more people will use services that are un-censorable and encrypted. Short of requiring spy-ware on all of our devices there's fundamentally very little governments can actually do to prevent this. In fact, the harder they fight the more they'll push people out of their reach.
- pessimizer 3y ago> because the biggest segments of society that want impossible-to-censor are also the worst. This is not true, this is slander. Child pornographers use whatever is available to them. Censors, however, spend all of their time trying to associate people who wish to speak, listen, and associate freely with child pornographers.