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A big shift was also coffee. Works much better for focus work, and also gives a slight high (big in the beginning). The coffee & alcohol cycle is also an inter
by toshk 3y ago
A big shift was also coffee. Works much better for focus work, and also gives a slight high (big in the beginning).
The coffee & alcohol cycle is also an interesting one in the West
High paced work environment & coffee jacking up your nervous system, and then in the evening using alcohol to calm it down (or other calmers like weed or painkillers).
- fredgrott 3y agoI have been maca and L-theanine jacking with the effect the focus lasts longer than with caffeine. My bias is that I have ADHD and now use a MAO inhibitor nootropics approach combined with Maca
- obiefernandez 3y agoMaca gets me so wired that I feel high. Even tiny amounts
- FartyMcFarter 3y ago> coffee jacking up your nervous system, and then in the evening using alcohol to calm it down (or other calmers like weed or painkillers). I've heard that green tea can calm down the effects of caffeine (despite containing a bit of caffeine itself). Something to try if you don't want to give up coffee like me.
- _8j50 3y agoTry oolong.
- FartyMcFarter 3y agoMaking a cup as we speak :)
- _8j50 3y agoCheers!
- _8j50 3y agoWho downvotes oolong? Lol
- coder-3 3y agoThe calming effect comes from L Theanine which you can buy separately and add to your coffee
- TheRealSteel 3y agoAny tea does, just to varying degrees, and it definitely works. This is due to a chemical called L-theanine. I never have caffeine without theanine now. Usually I just drink a green tea alongside whatever other caffeine I have (or only drink tea). You can buy it separately but I don't see the point.
- davidkopf 3y agoIf you’re lazy like me, you can buy Loud Brew, which is cold brew coffee with L-Theanine.
- JohnBooty 3y agoL-theanine Yeah! I've personally experimented (n=1) quite thoroughly with it. It truly reduces or eliminates caffeine jitters. This product is excellent for energy on the go. Caffeine and l-theanine in a single pill. I keep a few in my bag. I don't know if there's anything special about this particular product. There are other ones that may be better/cheaper. But I've gone through a few bottles of it in the past years and am pleased: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MQWJYJ3 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MQWJYJ3 You can buy it separately but I don't see the point. Well, clearly a lot of people like coffee and probably don't want to have a side of green tea with their coffee, so... you can see the point, right? =) I do buy it separately. It's dirt cheap. I stir it into my coffee. Reduces caffeine jitter. That all said, editorial time: caffeine is not awesome. It is a psychoactive substance (duh) and eventually it goes from "fun boost" to "I need this to feel normal." At least for me. I do have some every day but my goal is always to drink the smallest reasonable amount for me in order to manage my energy. Respect to people who drink 0mg.
- 0_____0 3y agoWas your experimentation more casual or rigorous? People take supplements but rarely take the time to even casually log perceived effects or use a self-blinded A/B study (my own lazy ass included). If you took a more rigorous approach I'm curious about your methods.
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- ubercore 3y agoI've heard this too, but green tea, for whatever reason, absolutely ratchets up anxiety for me. Black coffee can if I have too much, but is surprisingly less likely to
- dopylitty 3y agoSame here. I got into loose leaf tea to cut down on coffee drinking. I tried all sorts of greens but had to stop drinking it because it made me some combination of anxious and easy to anger.
- ubercore 3y agoYes! I also get irritable, just forgot until you mentioned it. I wonder if it's the theanine.
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- heavyset_go 3y agoI experience the same effect and have heard others say the same thing. L-theanine activates excitatory neurons and also increases dopamine levels in the brain.
- Xixi 3y agoGreen tea contains rather quite a lot of caffeine itself, depending on the kind. At the one end of the spectrum, a cup of Gyokuro is more or less equivalent to three expressos. At the other extremity green teas made of twigs rather than leaves have very little caffeine. I've been overwhelmed by Gyokuro before...
- odshoifsdhfs 3y agoOnly if you measure cup (200 or so ml) of Gyukuro to an expresso (30 ml). Per 'weight' it has much less then coffee. (same measurements: 100 ml of expresso is about 210 mg of caffeine and 100ml of gyukuro is about 70mg of caffeine)
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- aszantu 3y agol-theanine, it's amazing - I'm drawing when I drink coffee, so I started an experiment and drew the same cat a few times, much much softer with L-Theanine in the coffee. But the coffee tastes like old feed with the L-Theanine in there xD
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- freedomben 3y agoYes it does, although not optimally. the L-Theanine is what offsets the caffeine, but it works best in a 2:1 concentration (L-Theanine:Caffeine). In Green tea, it's more like 1:6.
- mr_00ff00 3y agoDon’t know if there is much evidence, but I have heard that the switch from the main consumed beverage from alcohol based drinks to caffeine based drinks may have possibly contributed to the Enlightenment. Europe went from a depressant to a stimulant, suddenly lots of science.
- Ligma123 3y ago>I have heard that the switch from the main consumed beverage from alcohol based drinks to caffeine based drinks may have possibly contributed to the Enlightenment. Why didn't the caffeinated beverages stimulate the advancement of science in the countries where those plants are native from?
- margalabargala 3y agoPerhaps it did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
- brokenkebaby 3y agoCoffee really became common beverage in Islamic world about 3 centuries after the "golden age" finished
- mr_00ff00 3y agoIt possible did. I think coffee was created in Arabia in the 900s. Weren’t the Arabic countries way ahead of Europe in terms of technology for those several hundred years?
- brokenkebaby 3y agoNot in that way. Arabic expansion grew a new layer above cultural heritage of East Mediterranian region, and Persia, and its most important centers were exactly there, showing a lot of continuity with their "pre-coffee" roots. Which I think contradicts your theory.
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