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There's a school of thought presented in David Chang's documentary where we're going to be one of the last generations to consume wild bluefin tuna. Because we'

There's a school of thought presented in David Chang's documentary where we're going to be one of the last generations to consume wild bluefin tuna. Because we've industrialized fishing them at this point. The financial incentives are too powerful to turn down, each one can come in at $20 to $5,000 Per Pound. A single tuna is tens of thousand, if not hundreds of thousands on the market. On the consumer side (CA/NY) anything Ahi Tuna-related is going to fly off the shelf, even with premium mark up prices. I'm not sure where we go from here. Maybe a shift in community values? It's trending higher and higher online too, which probably correlates with consumption - https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=ahi%20tuna&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=a...

psunavy03 3y ago
> There's a school of thought presented in David Chang's documentary where we're going to be one of the last generations to consume wild bluefin tuna. Because we've industrialized fishing them at this point. I'd like to see some stats to back this up, considering the IUCN has taken the bluefin off its "red list," and even a brief Wikipedia search seems to indicate that the recent application of regional fishing quotas is having its desired effect, though apparently some local populations are struggling.
- 6c696e7578 3y ago
  Stats on the ocean are hard to measure, because, well, it isn't easy. However, as this documentary points out, there's so many reasons to not make people aware. I had no idea about halibut. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14152756/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14152756/ So many things I didn't appreciate, and this is probably the most important documentary to watch this decade.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    Also Cowspiracy, Dominion, Blackfish, The Game Changers, What the Health, Forks over knives ...
- AdamN 3y ago
  Pacific Bluefin Tuna (and all bluefin tuna) should be avoided. IUCN isn't really the best forum for advice on this as it takes into account government and industry interests - by the time they mark a food species as on the red list it's very, very late. The Monterey Aquarium seafood guide is the best that I'm aware of and they recommend avoiding all bluefin tuna: https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendations/download-consumer-guides/sustainable-tuna-guide https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendations/download-consum... https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendations/search?query=%3Afree%3Bbluefin%7Call https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendations/search?query=%3...
- shatnersbassoon 3y ago
  > I'd like to see some stats to back this up, considering the IUCN has taken the bluefin off its "red list," No they haven't. Nothing gets taken off the Red List (e.g. the Brown Rat is on the Red List: https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/19353/165118026 https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/19353/165118026). It's the Red List rating that matters, and Atlantic Bluefin is listed as Endangered. https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/21860/76599358 https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/21860/76599358
paulcole 3y ago
> A single tuna is tens of thousand, if not hundreds of thousands on the market. If you take out the early season prices that are essentially a buyer showing off how much money they have, even “tens of thousands” becomes somewhat of a fantasy. There’s a reason why tuna fishermen aren’t driving Bentleys.
- ricardobayes 3y ago
  I lived in a place where they fished it, and definitely not rewarded adequately. They used a really beat up 30+ year old boat at the crack of dawn, to first catch some other fish that is used to bait the tuna. I would be surprised after it's said and done that they got more than a few thousand for the tuna, in the end. It's a really dirty and smelly job paying peanuts.
  - paulcole 3y ago
    Yes and it’s because, like I said, that the idea of a single tuna being worth tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars is fantasy — not reality. But many people believe it to be true because of a TV show they saw or something they heard on NPR.
    - myshpa 3y ago
      https://bluefina.com/bluefin-tuna-price-why-the-cost-is-worth-it/ https://bluefina.com/bluefin-tuna-price-why-the-cost-is-wort... It’s true that in 2019, a 612-pound bluefin tuna sold for an incredible $3 million at Tokyo’s famous Tsukiji fish market. While this is not a typical price, it shows how prized bluefin tuna is as the very best tuna fish out there. The bluefin tuna price that restaurants and customers pay depends on several factors. These include where the fish is from, the company you buy it from, and how sustainable it is. First of all, it’s completely different from the average tuna that you buy canned at the supermarket. That type of tuna is albacore tuna. A typical adult albacore weighs 80lb. Contrast that with the record-breaking bluefin tuna that sold a the Tokyo fish market in 2019. That whopping example weighed 612lb! Clearly, they are different species and take a very different amount of time to grow to maturity. In fact, they are very slow-growing. It’s also impossible to breed bluefin tuna in captivity. > https://themostexpensive.org/most-expensive-tuna/ https://themostexpensive.org/most-expensive-tuna/ Here Are the Top 5 Most Expensive Types of Tuna in the World: Types of Tuna - Max Weight - Used For - Max Price Bluefin - 1,472lbs - Sushi - $5,000 per pound Bigeye - 462lbs - Steaks & sushi - $42 per pound Yellowfin - 427lbs - Canned, steaks & sushi - $35 per pound Skipjack - 73lbs - Canned & steaks - $23 per pound Albacore - 88lbs - Canned & steaks - $22 per pound > https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/reports/2021-tuna-retailer-scorecard-the-high-cost-of-cheap-tuna/ https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/reports/2021-tuna-retailer-sc... The sustainability of many of the world’s capture fisheries continues to be hampered by overexploitation, overcapacity, ineffective management, harmful subsidies, by-catch…and illegal, unreported, and unregulated fishing, with ongoing habitat degradation and loss of gear creating further pressures on the marine environment.” – UN World Ocean Assessment "Stock depletion, lack of recovery, and associated loss of value are often driven by fisheries managers’ prioritization of short-term profits over the long-term health of fish populations.” – PEW “All over the world, human and labor rights violations and abuses in the sector have been documented, and despite commendable efforts by many governments and the industry, there are still too many cases of unacceptable practices taking place. These occur not only in developing countries but also in the developed world, and at all stages along value chains.” – UN FAO
kuhewa 3y ago
Southern bluefin tuna is rebounding.
avgcorrection 3y ago
> The financial incentives are too powerful to turn down, each one can come in at $20 to $5,000 Per Pound. A single tuna is tens of thousand, if not hundreds of thousands on the market. > On the consumer side (CA/NY) anything Ahi Tuna-related is going to fly off the shelf, even with premium mark up prices. > I'm not sure where we go from here. Maybe a shift in community values? Juxtaposition: for the producers the money is “too powerful to turn down”; meanwhile consumers can/should shift their “community values”. Obviously you need to regulate things on the producer side. If it gets into production (and on to the consumer) then it’s too late already (see “food waste”).

psunavy03 3y ago

> There's a school of thought presented in David Chang's documentary where we're going to be one of the last generations to consume wild bluefin tuna. Because we've industrialized fishing them at this point. I'd like to see some stats to back this up, considering the IUCN has taken the bluefin off its "red list," and even a brief Wikipedia search seems to indicate that the recent application of regional fishing quotas is having its desired effect, though apparently some local populations are struggling.

6c696e7578 3y ago
Stats on the ocean are hard to measure, because, well, it isn't easy. However, as this documentary points out, there's so many reasons to not make people aware. I had no idea about halibut. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14152756/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14152756/ So many things I didn't appreciate, and this is probably the most important documentary to watch this decade.
- myshpa 3y ago
  Also Cowspiracy, Dominion, Blackfish, The Game Changers, What the Health, Forks over knives ...
AdamN 3y ago
Pacific Bluefin Tuna (and all bluefin tuna) should be avoided. IUCN isn't really the best forum for advice on this as it takes into account government and industry interests - by the time they mark a food species as on the red list it's very, very late. The Monterey Aquarium seafood guide is the best that I'm aware of and they recommend avoiding all bluefin tuna: https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendations/download-consumer-guides/sustainable-tuna-guide https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendations/download-consum... https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendations/search?query=%3Afree%3Bbluefin%7Call https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendations/search?query=%3...
shatnersbassoon 3y ago
> I'd like to see some stats to back this up, considering the IUCN has taken the bluefin off its "red list," No they haven't. Nothing gets taken off the Red List (e.g. the Brown Rat is on the Red List: https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/19353/165118026 https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/19353/165118026). It's the Red List rating that matters, and Atlantic Bluefin is listed as Endangered. https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/21860/76599358 https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/21860/76599358

paulcole 3y ago

> A single tuna is tens of thousand, if not hundreds of thousands on the market. If you take out the early season prices that are essentially a buyer showing off how much money they have, even “tens of thousands” becomes somewhat of a fantasy. There’s a reason why tuna fishermen aren’t driving Bentleys.

ricardobayes 3y ago
I lived in a place where they fished it, and definitely not rewarded adequately. They used a really beat up 30+ year old boat at the crack of dawn, to first catch some other fish that is used to bait the tuna. I would be surprised after it's said and done that they got more than a few thousand for the tuna, in the end. It's a really dirty and smelly job paying peanuts.
- paulcole 3y ago
  Yes and it’s because, like I said, that the idea of a single tuna being worth tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars is fantasy — not reality. But many people believe it to be true because of a TV show they saw or something they heard on NPR.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    https://bluefina.com/bluefin-tuna-price-why-the-cost-is-worth-it/ https://bluefina.com/bluefin-tuna-price-why-the-cost-is-wort... It’s true that in 2019, a 612-pound bluefin tuna sold for an incredible $3 million at Tokyo’s famous Tsukiji fish market. While this is not a typical price, it shows how prized bluefin tuna is as the very best tuna fish out there. The bluefin tuna price that restaurants and customers pay depends on several factors. These include where the fish is from, the company you buy it from, and how sustainable it is. First of all, it’s completely different from the average tuna that you buy canned at the supermarket. That type of tuna is albacore tuna. A typical adult albacore weighs 80lb. Contrast that with the record-breaking bluefin tuna that sold a the Tokyo fish market in 2019. That whopping example weighed 612lb! Clearly, they are different species and take a very different amount of time to grow to maturity. In fact, they are very slow-growing. It’s also impossible to breed bluefin tuna in captivity. > https://themostexpensive.org/most-expensive-tuna/ https://themostexpensive.org/most-expensive-tuna/ Here Are the Top 5 Most Expensive Types of Tuna in the World: Types of Tuna - Max Weight - Used For - Max Price Bluefin - 1,472lbs - Sushi - $5,000 per pound Bigeye - 462lbs - Steaks & sushi - $42 per pound Yellowfin - 427lbs - Canned, steaks & sushi - $35 per pound Skipjack - 73lbs - Canned & steaks - $23 per pound Albacore - 88lbs - Canned & steaks - $22 per pound > https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/reports/2021-tuna-retailer-scorecard-the-high-cost-of-cheap-tuna/ https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/reports/2021-tuna-retailer-sc... The sustainability of many of the world’s capture fisheries continues to be hampered by overexploitation, overcapacity, ineffective management, harmful subsidies, by-catch…and illegal, unreported, and unregulated fishing, with ongoing habitat degradation and loss of gear creating further pressures on the marine environment.” – UN World Ocean Assessment "Stock depletion, lack of recovery, and associated loss of value are often driven by fisheries managers’ prioritization of short-term profits over the long-term health of fish populations.” – PEW “All over the world, human and labor rights violations and abuses in the sector have been documented, and despite commendable efforts by many governments and the industry, there are still too many cases of unacceptable practices taking place. These occur not only in developing countries but also in the developed world, and at all stages along value chains.” – UN FAO

kuhewa 3y ago

Southern bluefin tuna is rebounding.

avgcorrection 3y ago

> The financial incentives are too powerful to turn down, each one can come in at $20 to $5,000 Per Pound. A single tuna is tens of thousand, if not hundreds of thousands on the market. > On the consumer side (CA/NY) anything Ahi Tuna-related is going to fly off the shelf, even with premium mark up prices. > I'm not sure where we go from here. Maybe a shift in community values? Juxtaposition: for the producers the money is “too powerful to turn down”; meanwhile consumers can/should shift their “community values”. Obviously you need to regulate things on the producer side. If it gets into production (and on to the consumer) then it’s too late already (see “food waste”).