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The news you are getting is wrong is the simplest explanation. It has a homeless problem, just like every large city in America, maybe worse than some, definit

The news you are getting is wrong is the simplest explanation. It has a homeless problem, just like every large city in America, maybe worse than some, definitely better than some. The CHAZ was a protest 3 years ago. That area is now basically indistinguishable from before, which is to say that it is a counterculture hotspot in the city, but still very safe. There are two colleges within a block of where the CHAZ was that are thriving, and it is a great place for shopping, a night out, seeing a show, etc. It is a city where housing is much more affordable than many parts of California, but you can still get access to major career opportunities. There are beaches in the city, and skiing, hiking, glaciers, etc within an hour or two. The cultural scene is thriving. People think that big lefty cities are dangerous without having ever been there. If I asked you which of the following cities has a higher murder rate than Chicago which would you select: Cleveland, Las Vegas or Kansas City. The answer is all of them have a murder rate 30% higher than chicago. The point is that the news likes to pick on certain places, but you should look to more reliable sources.

wonderwonder 3y ago
If the question was "Which city has the most murders", the answer is Chicago... by a lot. So you can use the numbers to paint whatever picture you like.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  Yes Chicago has the most murders, but in the real world the denominator matters, and we both know that. You asked your question claiming it was “genuine and honest” but you are hitting talking points in your reply to my comment and others that line up with a very specific agenda. I rather doubt it is coincidence. Please stop trolling.
  - wonderwonder 3y ago
    Friend, I honesty was not trolling. Look at the posts to which I responded. All of them appear emotionally unstable and outraged that I would dare ask a question that mentioned some of the advertised negatives about their city and then asked what positives are clearly out weighing these negatives as the city is growing. By the same token, you seem upset that your witty trick question about murder rates is upended by the fact that through sheer weight of numbers, Chicago dominates. No matter how you choose to look at it. I am responding very forcefully to banal and mindless attacks from people that just don't want to answer my question in the spirit it was intended. Look through the replies. So far out of a dozen, only one answered unemotionally and logically. edit: 2 now
gottorf 3y ago
> People think that big lefty cities are dangerous without having ever been there. > If I asked you which of the following cities has a higher murder rate than Chicago which would you select: Cleveland, Las Vegas or Kansas City. For what it's worth, you've listed four "big lefty cities", with all four cities having voted for the Democratic presidential candidate in all of the last six elections, most with big margins. (Though to be fair, it's hard to find any big cities that haven't, considering that the largest political divide in the country is on urban vs. rural lines.) Chicago should be considered a peer city to NYC and LA, and it does suffer quite a bit in its murder rate compared to those two[0], even though they were all once comparable. Of the ten most dangerous (highest rates of violent crime) cities in the US[1] of any size, only one, Springfield, IL, voted for the Republican presidential candidate more than half the times of the last six elections. All but two of the remainder were solidly Democratic for all six cycles. So while there may be some truth to your idea that people unfairly believe "big lefty cities" are dangerous, there is also some truth to those people's idea, as well. [0]: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/crains-forum-safer-chicago/chicago-violence-problem-debate-safety-inequality https://www.chicagobusiness.com/crains-forum-safer-chicago/c... [1]: https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-dangerous-cities-in-the...
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  Most cities are democrat. Of the top 100, only 24 have republican mayors. So it stands to reason that there will be more democrat run cities with high murder rates. Conversely there will be more democrat cities with low murder rates. I wouldn’t classify any of those cities as decidedly lefty, all three of them are in swing/red states. That’s just my opinion and not really the point, though. My point was more to the effect that there is a trope, especially in right wing circles, that Chicago in particular is especially dangerous, which isn’t really the case. It was a point to illustrate that talking points like “Chicago is super murder happy” and “Seattle is Dying” keep getting repeated despite their lack of grounding in truth.
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wonderwonder 3y ago

If the question was "Which city has the most murders", the answer is Chicago... by a lot. So you can use the numbers to paint whatever picture you like.

dghlsakjg 3y ago
Yes Chicago has the most murders, but in the real world the denominator matters, and we both know that. You asked your question claiming it was “genuine and honest” but you are hitting talking points in your reply to my comment and others that line up with a very specific agenda. I rather doubt it is coincidence. Please stop trolling.
- wonderwonder 3y ago
  Friend, I honesty was not trolling. Look at the posts to which I responded. All of them appear emotionally unstable and outraged that I would dare ask a question that mentioned some of the advertised negatives about their city and then asked what positives are clearly out weighing these negatives as the city is growing. By the same token, you seem upset that your witty trick question about murder rates is upended by the fact that through sheer weight of numbers, Chicago dominates. No matter how you choose to look at it. I am responding very forcefully to banal and mindless attacks from people that just don't want to answer my question in the spirit it was intended. Look through the replies. So far out of a dozen, only one answered unemotionally and logically. edit: 2 now

gottorf 3y ago

> People think that big lefty cities are dangerous without having ever been there. > If I asked you which of the following cities has a higher murder rate than Chicago which would you select: Cleveland, Las Vegas or Kansas City. For what it's worth, you've listed four "big lefty cities", with all four cities having voted for the Democratic presidential candidate in all of the last six elections, most with big margins. (Though to be fair, it's hard to find any big cities that haven't, considering that the largest political divide in the country is on urban vs. rural lines.) Chicago should be considered a peer city to NYC and LA, and it does suffer quite a bit in its murder rate compared to those two[0], even though they were all once comparable. Of the ten most dangerous (highest rates of violent crime) cities in the US[1] of any size, only one, Springfield, IL, voted for the Republican presidential candidate more than half the times of the last six elections. All but two of the remainder were solidly Democratic for all six cycles. So while there may be some truth to your idea that people unfairly believe "big lefty cities" are dangerous, there is also some truth to those people's idea, as well. [0]: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/crains-forum-safer-chicago/chicago-violence-problem-debate-safety-inequality https://www.chicagobusiness.com/crains-forum-safer-chicago/c... [1]: https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-dangerous-cities-in-the...

dghlsakjg 3y ago
Most cities are democrat. Of the top 100, only 24 have republican mayors. So it stands to reason that there will be more democrat run cities with high murder rates. Conversely there will be more democrat cities with low murder rates. I wouldn’t classify any of those cities as decidedly lefty, all three of them are in swing/red states. That’s just my opinion and not really the point, though. My point was more to the effect that there is a trope, especially in right wing circles, that Chicago in particular is especially dangerous, which isn’t really the case. It was a point to illustrate that talking points like “Chicago is super murder happy” and “Seattle is Dying” keep getting repeated despite their lack of grounding in truth.
- wonderwonder 3y ago
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