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Something to keep in mind here: the slower the permitting and building process, the longer a point will remain on the map, which means more points total at any

Something to keep in mind here: the slower the permitting and building process, the longer a point will remain on the map, which means more points total at any given time. This means that the process being slower will make it look like there's actually more change, when in reality a process being slower will usually lead to less change (since slower processes mean more money and hassle). To use an extreme hypothetical to illustrate the point, imagine if permitting and building only took a day each: the map here would be nearly empty.

buildbot 3y ago
I think this map is not that up to date? Checking on some points I walk by a lot, there are several projects from as far back as 2013 that I know are done. Maybe I am missing something.
- noahtallen 3y ago
  I think it's up-to-date in terms of new projects that get added, but there are definitely some completed ones whose status isn't updated. (But also some recently completed projects are removed, so I'm not sure why it's inconsistent. Potentially an issue with the data source?)
- jedberg 3y ago
  It says completed projects only stay on the map for one year.
  - cowsandmilk 3y ago
    They can claim that, but they have Google’s Fairview office on there and it opened in 2019 or 2020.
    - Tempest1981 3y ago
      Could it be that it hasn't yet passed final inspection? (Or did in 2022)
      - 7e 3y ago
        Maybe there is retail churn.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  A lot of projects on that map have been completed for a few years now, at least in Ballard where I live. It is also missing projects that I see in progress on my morning walks.
taeric 3y ago
Maybe? Could also be that latency is visible in the map without major impact on throughput. That is, you have to argue to unrealistic extremes of building taking a day to get the imagination for an empty map. Latency is a fact of all delivery. How much is the question. Combined with realistic build times, it may be this is the optimal map? Realistically, extra latency will have some advantages in many cases.
dymk 3y ago
You can filter by "Approved", so you're not seeing in-progress applications
- bluGill 3y ago
  In-progress applications is the most important thing to monitor. While some applications will need to take time, most should be fast. That is the review should be a clerk checking that it is allowed by current code (takes only a few minutes) and approving. There will always be a few requests to change the zone or a special variance to the code, but even then many at one time suggests you have a problem of it being too hard to build. The purpose of a city is to collect a lot of human activities in a relatively small space. Most of those occure indoors so if people can't build what they want/need your city is failing.

buildbot 3y ago

I think this map is not that up to date? Checking on some points I walk by a lot, there are several projects from as far back as 2013 that I know are done. Maybe I am missing something.

noahtallen 3y ago
I think it's up-to-date in terms of new projects that get added, but there are definitely some completed ones whose status isn't updated. (But also some recently completed projects are removed, so I'm not sure why it's inconsistent. Potentially an issue with the data source?)
jedberg 3y ago
It says completed projects only stay on the map for one year.
- cowsandmilk 3y ago
  They can claim that, but they have Google’s Fairview office on there and it opened in 2019 or 2020.
  - Tempest1981 3y ago
    Could it be that it hasn't yet passed final inspection? (Or did in 2022)
    - 7e 3y ago
      Maybe there is retail churn.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
A lot of projects on that map have been completed for a few years now, at least in Ballard where I live. It is also missing projects that I see in progress on my morning walks.

taeric 3y ago

Maybe? Could also be that latency is visible in the map without major impact on throughput. That is, you have to argue to unrealistic extremes of building taking a day to get the imagination for an empty map. Latency is a fact of all delivery. How much is the question. Combined with realistic build times, it may be this is the optimal map? Realistically, extra latency will have some advantages in many cases.

dymk 3y ago

You can filter by "Approved", so you're not seeing in-progress applications

bluGill 3y ago
In-progress applications is the most important thing to monitor. While some applications will need to take time, most should be fast. That is the review should be a clerk checking that it is allowed by current code (takes only a few minutes) and approving. There will always be a few requests to change the zone or a special variance to the code, but even then many at one time suggests you have a problem of it being too hard to build. The purpose of a city is to collect a lot of human activities in a relatively small space. Most of those occure indoors so if people can't build what they want/need your city is failing.