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Honestly, I would have said the same thing, but I switched to a Model 3 and don't miss CarPlay. What I really want is Spotify/Apple Music integration, and conne

Honestly, I would have said the same thing, but I switched to a Model 3 and don't miss CarPlay. What I really want is Spotify/Apple Music integration, and connected navigation that doesn't suck. Not disagreeing with you at all, but assuming GM could provide that, what would you miss?

Our_Benefactors 3y ago
CarPlay integrates with the rest of the Apple ecosystem in ways that other navs do not.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> but I switched to a Model 3 and don't miss CarPlay I have CarPlay on my Subaru and use the Model 3 in the Bay Area. (Borrowed car [a].) Tesla's UX is unrivaled. But it still can't match Apple's seamlessness. Shitty as Siri is, it can dial my next conference call, pull up the place I was just searching for on my Mac and respond to texts, consistently and hands free. [a] Funny enough, I had suggested a Bolt to the owner. They got uncomfortable with the thought of buying a discontinued model, and so gave Tesla their money.
- manzanarama 3y ago
  I never get the "discontinued model" thing. Isn't a last generation Camry just as discontinued when they start making the new one?
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Isn't a last generation Camry just as discontinued when they start making the new one? No, because you will still have parts and trained technicians for it.
    - saalweachter 3y ago
      They are ~required to make parts for 8 years after, and it's the norm for the various OEMs to keep making them longer.
afavour 3y ago
CarPlay does a lot: GPS, messages integration, audio (of _any_ kind), calls... honestly if car manufacturers start pulling support I'd love to see Apple introduce a "CarPlay UI on your phone" mode and I can just buy a phone mount and an audio cable. A car manufacturer integration fails on two counts: 1) I don't trust them to make good software. I dread to think what permissions I'd have to grant the GM app in order for it to read and write text messages but I'd fear data leaks, voice transcription errors, etc etc. and I don't want to have to choose a music/podcast service based on what they do and do not support. 2) They'd make you pay extra. You know they would. Maybe not to start but they'd introduce monthly fees for it all once they've got you locked in.
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  3) They would stop updating your infotainment system after a few years and you'd either be stuck running old versions of everything or buying a new car. I want my car to last longer than the average Android phone. Edit: Tesla might be the exception here, but do you imagine GM is going to be shipping OS updates for a 10 year old car? I think not.
- babypuncher 3y ago
  > 2) They'd make you pay extra. You know they would. Maybe not to start but they'd introduce monthly fees for it all once they've got you locked in. They have to, because in order to drive these features natively in your infotainment system they need active LTE/5G service. Which is a total waste for the consumer, who likely already pays for such service for their smartphone, which has built in software designed to provide all these features to your infotainment system.
mikestew 3y ago
...but assuming GM could provide that, what would you miss? My iPhone...on my dashboard. There's far more to CarPlay than just Apple Music, and Tesla's offering isn't even close.
delusional 3y ago
I'm an android user, so I have no experience with carplay, but personally I'd actually prefer a good standalone internet stereo and navigation system for my car over android auto. I don't really want my car to connect to my phone or stream the display over some weird proprietary protocol. If automakers just can't get their act together to make a proper internet stereo/navigation system, they should develop an open standard allowing third parties to provide it instead. Not halfheartedly farm it out to the tech giants.
tw04 3y ago
How about YouTube music? Pocket casts? Speed trap warnings on the map?
michaelt 3y ago
Internet-connected devices like tablets and smartphones tend to stop getting security updates after 5 years or so, making them basically useless. That's frustrating but tolerable on a $300 device. But on a $30,000 car?
- supergeek 3y ago
  In this case Tesla has been outstanding in terms of software support. Our 2014 S is still getting updates even though it is now "legacy" according to Tesla. That's nearly 10 years of software support! We did upgrade the central computer a few years ago to get 4g support, but $1500 felt very cheap for a whole new center screen, a new higher resolution instrument cluster, and a new computer making the whole car run faster.
  - babypuncher 3y ago
    If you hadn't upgraded the computer, would you still be getting software updates? If so, would the new software even run well? The beauty of CarPlay and Android Auto is that it turns your infotainment system into a dumb terminal for your smartphone. As long as it can decode the video and audio streams, there is no reason it will not continue to get new features indefinitely via phone upgrades and new versions of iOS or Android. Our phones are perfectly capable of doing all the things these car companies want us to pay extra for.
jonfw 3y ago
It's not that carplay is the only good way to build an infotainment system today, it's that carplay is the only good way to build an infotainment system today that will still be good 10 years later.
babypuncher 3y ago
GM will provide all of that to you for $30 a month. CarPlay gives it to you for free, using the data plan you already pay for on your phone to fetch maps and stream music. My car does not need it's own internet connection to do these things, my phone can do them just fine. And as CarPlay and Android Auto have shown, it is borderline trivial to turn the giant touchscreen in my car into a dumb terminal for my smartphone. It's one thing to charge me a subscription for something I use regularly, it's another entirely to make me pay a subscription for something I already get somewhere else, just so I can have it in my car. Fuck GM.

Our_Benefactors 3y ago

CarPlay integrates with the rest of the Apple ecosystem in ways that other navs do not.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> but I switched to a Model 3 and don't miss CarPlay I have CarPlay on my Subaru and use the Model 3 in the Bay Area. (Borrowed car [a].) Tesla's UX is unrivaled. But it still can't match Apple's seamlessness. Shitty as Siri is, it can dial my next conference call, pull up the place I was just searching for on my Mac and respond to texts, consistently and hands free. [a] Funny enough, I had suggested a Bolt to the owner. They got uncomfortable with the thought of buying a discontinued model, and so gave Tesla their money.

manzanarama 3y ago
I never get the "discontinued model" thing. Isn't a last generation Camry just as discontinued when they start making the new one?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Isn't a last generation Camry just as discontinued when they start making the new one? No, because you will still have parts and trained technicians for it.
  - saalweachter 3y ago
    They are ~required to make parts for 8 years after, and it's the norm for the various OEMs to keep making them longer.

afavour 3y ago

CarPlay does a lot: GPS, messages integration, audio (of _any_ kind), calls... honestly if car manufacturers start pulling support I'd love to see Apple introduce a "CarPlay UI on your phone" mode and I can just buy a phone mount and an audio cable. A car manufacturer integration fails on two counts: 1) I don't trust them to make good software. I dread to think what permissions I'd have to grant the GM app in order for it to read and write text messages but I'd fear data leaks, voice transcription errors, etc etc. and I don't want to have to choose a music/podcast service based on what they do and do not support. 2) They'd make you pay extra. You know they would. Maybe not to start but they'd introduce monthly fees for it all once they've got you locked in.

AlexandrB 3y ago
3) They would stop updating your infotainment system after a few years and you'd either be stuck running old versions of everything or buying a new car. I want my car to last longer than the average Android phone. Edit: Tesla might be the exception here, but do you imagine GM is going to be shipping OS updates for a 10 year old car? I think not.
babypuncher 3y ago
> 2) They'd make you pay extra. You know they would. Maybe not to start but they'd introduce monthly fees for it all once they've got you locked in. They have to, because in order to drive these features natively in your infotainment system they need active LTE/5G service. Which is a total waste for the consumer, who likely already pays for such service for their smartphone, which has built in software designed to provide all these features to your infotainment system.

mikestew 3y ago

...but assuming GM could provide that, what would you miss? My iPhone...on my dashboard. There's far more to CarPlay than just Apple Music, and Tesla's offering isn't even close.

delusional 3y ago

I'm an android user, so I have no experience with carplay, but personally I'd actually prefer a good standalone internet stereo and navigation system for my car over android auto. I don't really want my car to connect to my phone or stream the display over some weird proprietary protocol. If automakers just can't get their act together to make a proper internet stereo/navigation system, they should develop an open standard allowing third parties to provide it instead. Not halfheartedly farm it out to the tech giants.

tw04 3y ago

How about YouTube music? Pocket casts? Speed trap warnings on the map?

michaelt 3y ago

Internet-connected devices like tablets and smartphones tend to stop getting security updates after 5 years or so, making them basically useless. That's frustrating but tolerable on a $300 device. But on a $30,000 car?

supergeek 3y ago
In this case Tesla has been outstanding in terms of software support. Our 2014 S is still getting updates even though it is now "legacy" according to Tesla. That's nearly 10 years of software support! We did upgrade the central computer a few years ago to get 4g support, but $1500 felt very cheap for a whole new center screen, a new higher resolution instrument cluster, and a new computer making the whole car run faster.
- babypuncher 3y ago
  If you hadn't upgraded the computer, would you still be getting software updates? If so, would the new software even run well? The beauty of CarPlay and Android Auto is that it turns your infotainment system into a dumb terminal for your smartphone. As long as it can decode the video and audio streams, there is no reason it will not continue to get new features indefinitely via phone upgrades and new versions of iOS or Android. Our phones are perfectly capable of doing all the things these car companies want us to pay extra for.

jonfw 3y ago

It's not that carplay is the only good way to build an infotainment system today, it's that carplay is the only good way to build an infotainment system today that will still be good 10 years later.

babypuncher 3y ago

GM will provide all of that to you for $30 a month. CarPlay gives it to you for free, using the data plan you already pay for on your phone to fetch maps and stream music. My car does not need it's own internet connection to do these things, my phone can do them just fine. And as CarPlay and Android Auto have shown, it is borderline trivial to turn the giant touchscreen in my car into a dumb terminal for my smartphone. It's one thing to charge me a subscription for something I use regularly, it's another entirely to make me pay a subscription for something I already get somewhere else, just so I can have it in my car. Fuck GM.