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Now reverse your plan to kill CarPlay or I won't touch any of your vehicles.

mrj 3y ago
Yeah that really is a terrible decision. I have had two Bolts and they are wonderful cars, but I would not buy again if I couldn't use the phone integration. I don't really care how great their new stereo head is, cars last a long time and there's 0% chance they'll keep up with the phone over the long term.
- foobarian 3y ago
  Wish we could talk the Framework company into making Framework cars. What a timeline that would be!
  - mholm 3y ago
    Lower end cars, until recently, have long had a rich enough aftermarket to support basically any interior comfort you'd want. I've got Carplay, wireless charging, and blind spot sensors, all in my entry model BMW that was never made to even support any of these features. Now I'm right there with you on the mechanicals and exteriors.
    - giobox 3y ago
      I've done this to lots of old cars too, but I'd never claim it to be as good as an interior built for carplay - typically the sight lines to the display are compromised if doing something like a double-DIN carplay head unit from Sony et al etc. I've generally had no issues finding adapters that allow legacy steering wheel controls to control the aftermarket head unit/carplay too. However, the display often ends up too low on the dash in older vehicles with a retrofit, modern cars typically place it higher on the dash almost level with the instrument cluster to make it easier to check for navigation etc, most modern cars can even sync carplay directions to a secondary display in the instrument cluster. The siri mic solution can be compromised too, depending on the vehicle and how you fit the mic. It's livable of course, but often not optimal.
mrbuttons454 3y ago
Honestly, I would have said the same thing, but I switched to a Model 3 and don't miss CarPlay. What I really want is Spotify/Apple Music integration, and connected navigation that doesn't suck. Not disagreeing with you at all, but assuming GM could provide that, what would you miss?
- Our_Benefactors 3y ago
  CarPlay integrates with the rest of the Apple ecosystem in ways that other navs do not.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > but I switched to a Model 3 and don't miss CarPlay I have CarPlay on my Subaru and use the Model 3 in the Bay Area. (Borrowed car [a].) Tesla's UX is unrivaled. But it still can't match Apple's seamlessness. Shitty as Siri is, it can dial my next conference call, pull up the place I was just searching for on my Mac and respond to texts, consistently and hands free. [a] Funny enough, I had suggested a Bolt to the owner. They got uncomfortable with the thought of buying a discontinued model, and so gave Tesla their money.
  - manzanarama 3y ago
    I never get the "discontinued model" thing. Isn't a last generation Camry just as discontinued when they start making the new one?
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Isn't a last generation Camry just as discontinued when they start making the new one? No, because you will still have parts and trained technicians for it.
      - saalweachter 3y ago
        They are ~required to make parts for 8 years after, and it's the norm for the various OEMs to keep making them longer.
mikestew 3y ago
GM can do what they want, that decision already drove us to purchase a car from a different manufacturer. Turns out that Hyundai makes a better car than GM anyway, IMO, so dumb corporate decisions turn in our favor.

mrj 3y ago

Yeah that really is a terrible decision. I have had two Bolts and they are wonderful cars, but I would not buy again if I couldn't use the phone integration. I don't really care how great their new stereo head is, cars last a long time and there's 0% chance they'll keep up with the phone over the long term.

foobarian 3y ago
Wish we could talk the Framework company into making Framework cars. What a timeline that would be!
- mholm 3y ago
  Lower end cars, until recently, have long had a rich enough aftermarket to support basically any interior comfort you'd want. I've got Carplay, wireless charging, and blind spot sensors, all in my entry model BMW that was never made to even support any of these features. Now I'm right there with you on the mechanicals and exteriors.
  - giobox 3y ago
    I've done this to lots of old cars too, but I'd never claim it to be as good as an interior built for carplay - typically the sight lines to the display are compromised if doing something like a double-DIN carplay head unit from Sony et al etc. I've generally had no issues finding adapters that allow legacy steering wheel controls to control the aftermarket head unit/carplay too. However, the display often ends up too low on the dash in older vehicles with a retrofit, modern cars typically place it higher on the dash almost level with the instrument cluster to make it easier to check for navigation etc, most modern cars can even sync carplay directions to a secondary display in the instrument cluster. The siri mic solution can be compromised too, depending on the vehicle and how you fit the mic. It's livable of course, but often not optimal.

mrbuttons454 3y ago

Honestly, I would have said the same thing, but I switched to a Model 3 and don't miss CarPlay. What I really want is Spotify/Apple Music integration, and connected navigation that doesn't suck. Not disagreeing with you at all, but assuming GM could provide that, what would you miss?

Our_Benefactors 3y ago
CarPlay integrates with the rest of the Apple ecosystem in ways that other navs do not.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> but I switched to a Model 3 and don't miss CarPlay I have CarPlay on my Subaru and use the Model 3 in the Bay Area. (Borrowed car [a].) Tesla's UX is unrivaled. But it still can't match Apple's seamlessness. Shitty as Siri is, it can dial my next conference call, pull up the place I was just searching for on my Mac and respond to texts, consistently and hands free. [a] Funny enough, I had suggested a Bolt to the owner. They got uncomfortable with the thought of buying a discontinued model, and so gave Tesla their money.
- manzanarama 3y ago
  I never get the "discontinued model" thing. Isn't a last generation Camry just as discontinued when they start making the new one?
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Isn't a last generation Camry just as discontinued when they start making the new one? No, because you will still have parts and trained technicians for it.
    - saalweachter 3y ago
      They are ~required to make parts for 8 years after, and it's the norm for the various OEMs to keep making them longer.

mikestew 3y ago

GM can do what they want, that decision already drove us to purchase a car from a different manufacturer. Turns out that Hyundai makes a better car than GM anyway, IMO, so dumb corporate decisions turn in our favor.