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Yes. We're not sleepwalking to an uninhabitable dystopia, we're sprinting towards it. We may all be in for some serious problems in 5 to 10 years. I'm not a cli

Yes. We're not sleepwalking to an uninhabitable dystopia, we're sprinting towards it. We may all be in for some serious problems in 5 to 10 years. I'm not a climate scientist, this is just an uninformed opinion, but everything I'm reading has me very worried.

jmclnx 3y ago
Me, I am thinking it would be kind of similar to this series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporated_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporated_(TV_series) Majority of people will live in "dystopia lite", and top 1% and people they need ("slaves"?) will live in a better environment.
andix 3y ago
What's happening right now could still be a very unlikely anomaly and everything may change back to "normal" soon. Or it isn't. Hard to judge for me, I'm not an expert.
- sfn42 3y ago
  Yeah, everything that's been predicted for decades is happening but it could just be a total coincidence. And if it isn't I'm sure they'll just magically figure out economically viable fusion or spray some aerosols into the atmosphere or somehow just magically fix everything. I'm sure everything will be fine. That's why I'm not having kids. /s
  - MrOwnPut 3y ago
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    - sfn42 3y ago
      If by "they" you mean thermometers, sure. I don't need to do anything more than look at temperature readings to see how the climate is changing. I also see that it's clearly an exponential graph. We've already reached the 1.5 degree threshold the Paris Agreement was supposed to avoid, we have done fuck all to avoid it. The next 1.5 degrees will come much faster and the next 1.5 after that faster still. At that point we're 4.5 degrees above the baseline and that's widely regarded as apocalyptic. We will see famine, water scarcity, mass migration, probably wars, possibly nuclear war. If you want to bring a child into that world go ahead. I wouldn't want to be born into it so I won't.
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      - MrOwnPut 3y ago
        The global temperature baseline has only increased 1.16~ degrees Celsius since 1880... Of course it's going to increase as we continue to come out of the last ice age. It's being blown way out of proportion though to fear-monger. And don't get me started on Europe and their fake Paris Climate Agreement. They just wanted money from the US. If they were serious they wouldn't have shut down their nuclear reactors and got hooked on Russian gas / Iranian oil. Only the US has reduced emissions while increasing energy output.
    - cryoshon 3y ago
      The world is palpably warmer today than when we were children. Likewise, it was not always the case that summers were characterized by weeks of choking wildfire smoke. Who are you going to believe: the warmth felt by your own skin, or the people telling you that nothing is wrong, and that global heating isn't something to be concerned about? Psychologically it's more comfortable to choose the latter because it implies things can stay the same without trouble. But it's only viable to do so if you can suppress the cognitive dissonance. The planet is burning.
      - Brusco_RF 3y ago
        Yeah, you're too deep in it. The natural rate of wildfire is about 5x higher than current levels, despite what breathless journalists will push. Check out this chart [1] before modern forest "management" kicked in. Modern conflagrations are a result of decades of snuffing out small fires. Also, I live in Arizona and I'm pretty sick of people telling me it's getting hotter. Its not. Our record temperature was set in 1990 [2]. The news claims that every year is "record breaking" by using a different metric every time. Last year it was "number of days over X degrees" this year it's "Average nightime lows" which is more affected by the growing urban heat-island effect than climate change, but I digress. [1] https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iISDydT73c1M/v1/-1x-1.png https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iISDydT73c1... [2] https://cals.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/weather/records.htm https://cals.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/weather/record...
        wittenbunk 3y ago
        My kid has barely been able to go outside this summer because of months of endless wildfires a thousand miles away...or am I in too deep with my lying eyes and wheezing lungs?
        Brusco_RF 3y ago
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        3y ago
    - dang 3y ago
      Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
RandomLensman 3y ago
There are challenges to overcome but thinking of the future as dystopia can be counterproductive.
- Fricken 3y ago
  Kind of an irrelevant point to make. We're setting new emissions records, so nothing so far has been productive.
  - MrOwnPut 3y ago
    Who is "we"? The US has reduced emissions records while increasing energy output for a number of years now. Europe has increased both, regardless of their rhetoric. China of course has increased both as well with more coal plants being built. Most of the reduction in the US is thanks to fracking/nat.gas displacing coal. Which a lot of people are against. Focusing on nuclear could get us a lot farther in displacing fossil fuels with nuclear as the baseline energy source. Unfortunately most people just want to nag each other or cat-o’-nine-tails themselves or yell doomsday on loop instead of pushing for things that actually matter.
    - olddustytrail 3y ago
      > Europe has increased both, regardless of their rhetoric. Meanwhile, back in the real world: https://ip-quarterly.com/sites/default/files/styles/dgap_teaser_large/public/IPQ-1-2023_Graphic_WhatEuropeThinks_v3.jpg?itok=XX25DK0m https://ip-quarterly.com/sites/default/files/styles/dgap_tea...
      - MrOwnPut 3y ago
        That does not include energy outsourced.
        olddustytrail 3y ago
        Nor do your US figures. Not least because you failed to present any. But include them if you can. The graphs look the same.
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jmclnx 3y ago

Me, I am thinking it would be kind of similar to this series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporated_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporated_(TV_series) Majority of people will live in "dystopia lite", and top 1% and people they need ("slaves"?) will live in a better environment.

andix 3y ago

What's happening right now could still be a very unlikely anomaly and everything may change back to "normal" soon. Or it isn't. Hard to judge for me, I'm not an expert.

sfn42 3y ago
Yeah, everything that's been predicted for decades is happening but it could just be a total coincidence. And if it isn't I'm sure they'll just magically figure out economically viable fusion or spray some aerosols into the atmosphere or somehow just magically fix everything. I'm sure everything will be fine. That's why I'm not having kids. /s
- MrOwnPut 3y ago
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  - sfn42 3y ago
    If by "they" you mean thermometers, sure. I don't need to do anything more than look at temperature readings to see how the climate is changing. I also see that it's clearly an exponential graph. We've already reached the 1.5 degree threshold the Paris Agreement was supposed to avoid, we have done fuck all to avoid it. The next 1.5 degrees will come much faster and the next 1.5 after that faster still. At that point we're 4.5 degrees above the baseline and that's widely regarded as apocalyptic. We will see famine, water scarcity, mass migration, probably wars, possibly nuclear war. If you want to bring a child into that world go ahead. I wouldn't want to be born into it so I won't.
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - MrOwnPut 3y ago
      The global temperature baseline has only increased 1.16~ degrees Celsius since 1880... Of course it's going to increase as we continue to come out of the last ice age. It's being blown way out of proportion though to fear-monger. And don't get me started on Europe and their fake Paris Climate Agreement. They just wanted money from the US. If they were serious they wouldn't have shut down their nuclear reactors and got hooked on Russian gas / Iranian oil. Only the US has reduced emissions while increasing energy output.
  - cryoshon 3y ago
    The world is palpably warmer today than when we were children. Likewise, it was not always the case that summers were characterized by weeks of choking wildfire smoke. Who are you going to believe: the warmth felt by your own skin, or the people telling you that nothing is wrong, and that global heating isn't something to be concerned about? Psychologically it's more comfortable to choose the latter because it implies things can stay the same without trouble. But it's only viable to do so if you can suppress the cognitive dissonance. The planet is burning.
    - Brusco_RF 3y ago
      Yeah, you're too deep in it. The natural rate of wildfire is about 5x higher than current levels, despite what breathless journalists will push. Check out this chart [1] before modern forest "management" kicked in. Modern conflagrations are a result of decades of snuffing out small fires. Also, I live in Arizona and I'm pretty sick of people telling me it's getting hotter. Its not. Our record temperature was set in 1990 [2]. The news claims that every year is "record breaking" by using a different metric every time. Last year it was "number of days over X degrees" this year it's "Average nightime lows" which is more affected by the growing urban heat-island effect than climate change, but I digress. [1] https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iISDydT73c1M/v1/-1x-1.png https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iISDydT73c1... [2] https://cals.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/weather/records.htm https://cals.arizona.edu/maricopa/garden/html/weather/record...
      - wittenbunk 3y ago
        My kid has barely been able to go outside this summer because of months of endless wildfires a thousand miles away...or am I in too deep with my lying eyes and wheezing lungs?
        Brusco_RF 3y ago
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        3y ago
  - dang 3y ago
    Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

RandomLensman 3y ago

There are challenges to overcome but thinking of the future as dystopia can be counterproductive.

Fricken 3y ago
Kind of an irrelevant point to make. We're setting new emissions records, so nothing so far has been productive.
- MrOwnPut 3y ago
  Who is "we"? The US has reduced emissions records while increasing energy output for a number of years now. Europe has increased both, regardless of their rhetoric. China of course has increased both as well with more coal plants being built. Most of the reduction in the US is thanks to fracking/nat.gas displacing coal. Which a lot of people are against. Focusing on nuclear could get us a lot farther in displacing fossil fuels with nuclear as the baseline energy source. Unfortunately most people just want to nag each other or cat-o’-nine-tails themselves or yell doomsday on loop instead of pushing for things that actually matter.
  - olddustytrail 3y ago
    > Europe has increased both, regardless of their rhetoric. Meanwhile, back in the real world: https://ip-quarterly.com/sites/default/files/styles/dgap_teaser_large/public/IPQ-1-2023_Graphic_WhatEuropeThinks_v3.jpg?itok=XX25DK0m https://ip-quarterly.com/sites/default/files/styles/dgap_tea...
    - MrOwnPut 3y ago
      That does not include energy outsourced.
      - olddustytrail 3y ago
        Nor do your US figures. Not least because you failed to present any. But include them if you can. The graphs look the same.

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