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The whole discussion is about how much of those companies' success is attributable to Musk. I have no clue where the "leftist vilification" is coming from.

azinman2 3y ago
There has been a large cultural shift in how he is discussed in public. And the left has made him into an enemy, while the right has turned him into a hero… ish. He’s now part of the larger cultural wars, and as such it’s almost impossible not to have that creep into any discussion about him. And a big theme on the left is how he’s a fraud and only was able to achieve what he has because of his dads money. They don’t seem to realize that most startups that get lots of money still flop.
- shuckles 3y ago
  This discussion is not about cultural perceptions of Elon Musk. It is about how much of SpaceX and Tesla's success can be attributed to him. If you think cultural perceptions are why I categorized SolarCity, Boring Company, Hyperloop, and X.com as duds, please feel free to give specific criticism. Otherwise, the discussion is best helped by airing cultural grievances elsewhere.
  - azinman2 3y ago
    What you’re stating is being discussed ad infinitum everywhere as part of the culture wars as one of the main talking points. You cannot separate it at this point. It’s like saying you’re trying to discuss whether Trump encouraged Jan 6 or not as some independent topic.
    - lesuorac 3y ago
      In a discussion about whether or not Trump built a wall at US's southern border one does not need to bring up Jan 6th at all. These are in fact different tangential topics similar to how whether or not AOC likes Musk is tangential to whether or not Solar City was a dud of a company. You need not like Bill Cosby to objectively state he had a long successful career. This is hackernews not cable TV. You do not need to regurgitate "talking points".
      - adventured 3y ago
        > In a discussion about whether or not Trump built a wall at US's southern border one does not need to bring up Jan 6th at all. That's not how that discussion would actually go. Need has nothing to do with it, and the same holds true with Musk. The detached attacks don't need to be brought up in regards to a discussion about Musk & SpaceX, and yet they are guaranteed to come up regardless. There is no discussion today of any meaningful length that is going to happen on a major public forum (eg Reddit) regarding Trump's border wall where the events of January 6 do not come up as a prominent matter of discussion. The reason this happens is because the target (Trump, Musk, whatever) triggers people to such an extreme emotional degree they can't control themselves properly, they can no longer think & express rationally. They have basically been trained into a hyper emotional response by the mob they participate with. It's some manner of one-upmanship, virtue signaling as competition: who can most greatly beat this target to death, using any means necessary.
        lesuorac 3y ago
        In this context, the fact that he's had numerous dud companies does need to come up because it's actually very much on topic. Let's reflect on how we got here. 1) xutopia is making the claim [1] (on a thread about how Twitter's rebrand could be a nightmare) that Musk's actions would've costed any other CEO their job. 2) mettamage countered with Musk has only had 1 dud company so far [2] 3) And that leads us to this oversized thread where yes Musk has had many dud companies and "only 1" isn't correct. Whether or not Musk is correct on the Thai diver being a pedophile would not belong in this oversized thread though and as you may not have yet noticed; wasn't brought up. It is in fact possible to have a discussion on a forum (perhaps not major) without bringing up tangential points. Some people can control themselves and so far in this oversized thread they have; it's been very on point besides this meta discussion. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36861849 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36861849 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36863091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36863091
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azinman2 3y ago

There has been a large cultural shift in how he is discussed in public. And the left has made him into an enemy, while the right has turned him into a hero… ish. He’s now part of the larger cultural wars, and as such it’s almost impossible not to have that creep into any discussion about him. And a big theme on the left is how he’s a fraud and only was able to achieve what he has because of his dads money. They don’t seem to realize that most startups that get lots of money still flop.

shuckles 3y ago
This discussion is not about cultural perceptions of Elon Musk. It is about how much of SpaceX and Tesla's success can be attributed to him. If you think cultural perceptions are why I categorized SolarCity, Boring Company, Hyperloop, and X.com as duds, please feel free to give specific criticism. Otherwise, the discussion is best helped by airing cultural grievances elsewhere.
- azinman2 3y ago
  What you’re stating is being discussed ad infinitum everywhere as part of the culture wars as one of the main talking points. You cannot separate it at this point. It’s like saying you’re trying to discuss whether Trump encouraged Jan 6 or not as some independent topic.
  - lesuorac 3y ago
    In a discussion about whether or not Trump built a wall at US's southern border one does not need to bring up Jan 6th at all. These are in fact different tangential topics similar to how whether or not AOC likes Musk is tangential to whether or not Solar City was a dud of a company. You need not like Bill Cosby to objectively state he had a long successful career. This is hackernews not cable TV. You do not need to regurgitate "talking points".
    - adventured 3y ago
      > In a discussion about whether or not Trump built a wall at US's southern border one does not need to bring up Jan 6th at all. That's not how that discussion would actually go. Need has nothing to do with it, and the same holds true with Musk. The detached attacks don't need to be brought up in regards to a discussion about Musk & SpaceX, and yet they are guaranteed to come up regardless. There is no discussion today of any meaningful length that is going to happen on a major public forum (eg Reddit) regarding Trump's border wall where the events of January 6 do not come up as a prominent matter of discussion. The reason this happens is because the target (Trump, Musk, whatever) triggers people to such an extreme emotional degree they can't control themselves properly, they can no longer think & express rationally. They have basically been trained into a hyper emotional response by the mob they participate with. It's some manner of one-upmanship, virtue signaling as competition: who can most greatly beat this target to death, using any means necessary.
      - lesuorac 3y ago
        In this context, the fact that he's had numerous dud companies does need to come up because it's actually very much on topic. Let's reflect on how we got here. 1) xutopia is making the claim [1] (on a thread about how Twitter's rebrand could be a nightmare) that Musk's actions would've costed any other CEO their job. 2) mettamage countered with Musk has only had 1 dud company so far [2] 3) And that leads us to this oversized thread where yes Musk has had many dud companies and "only 1" isn't correct. Whether or not Musk is correct on the Thai diver being a pedophile would not belong in this oversized thread though and as you may not have yet noticed; wasn't brought up. It is in fact possible to have a discussion on a forum (perhaps not major) without bringing up tangential points. Some people can control themselves and so far in this oversized thread they have; it's been very on point besides this meta discussion. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36861849 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36861849 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36863091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36863091

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