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> The most similar thing to newsgroups today is Reddit, and I really enjoy following some communities. Which in turn will die and give way to Lemmy (generally

> The most similar thing to newsgroups today is Reddit, and I really enjoy following some communities. Which in turn will die and give way to Lemmy (generally ActivityPub).

jdsalaro 3y ago
I'm on Lemmy, but it's unfortunately too buggy atm. Having a blast on Tildes (Y) though.
brettermeier 3y ago
I just tried it. I created an account on a Lemmy instance. Now I also want to join other instances. But how to do it? I won't create an account for every instance, but I'm stuck now. So... don't know if that will ever replace Reddit. You really have to be a bit tech-savvy, and most users of the internet aren't. Edit: And the instructions how to do it are buried away somewhere around two-thirds of the way through the text on this page (https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/01-getting-started.html https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/01-getting-started.html), with way to much text on it for normal users to read it all or to not stop caring.
- PathfinderBot 3y ago
  > I just tried it. I created an account on a Lemmy instance. Now I also want to join other instances. But how to do it? I won't create an account for every instance, but I'm stuck now. Just like email, you do not need to create multiple accounts to talk to people from other servers, unless they have blocked one another. I am confused, I find it likely that HackerNews readers would know this. Perhaps you're making a point? > So... don't know if that will ever replace Reddit. You really have to be a bit tech-savvy, and most users of the internet aren't. I'm sure this is a familiar argument to most of us here. People usually focus on technical solutions, making it easier, one-click, fool-proof. I fear that is a game corporations and centralised services have an advantage in. I have an alternative. It's not an easy solution, but a social solution to this would be to have "family sysadmins". Someone in the family who is at least slightly tech-savvy, helping the other members of the family set up their accounts. There is no need for the average person to understand federation or to be tech-savvy in this case. In other words, "help your family and friends with their IT stuff instead of putting them in the control of big corporations".
  - nonethewiser 3y ago
    If you need IT to make you a social media account the social media service is doomed.
  - brettermeier 3y ago
    In my opinion it would help if useful instructions how to use such services won't look like an API documentation for developers. Your idea of having people in your family/friends that help everyone else with joining such communities is nice, but it also depends on some factors: - Do you know such people in your family? - Do you have a family/friends? - Do you want to waste their time with your needs, and how many people must be served by one person? It may work for some to many people to ask for help with something like this, but not for the masses I think.
    - rglullis 3y ago
      The only intuitive interface is the nipple. Everything else is learned. Now, it might be that the learning curve is steeper than the existing solutions, but think of all the things you had to learn while using reddit: - what is a sub? - What is the difference between posting a link, a text, an image? - How does voting affect the front-page? - What is Karma? - What is a DM? Now, think of things you'll probably have to learn to use Lemmy. - what is an instance? - What is a community? - How do I find communities to follow? - What is the difference between "local" and "all"? Why is it that "the masses" managed to learn how to use reddit, but wouldn't be able to learn Lemmy?
      - bluGill 3y ago
        As any women (or man watching this) who has tried to nurse a newborn baby can tell you, the nipple is not very intuitive. It is a lot of effort to teach a baby to use a nipple correctly. Few know how to teach this skill anymore and so a lot of mothers spend a lot of money on bottles/formula. (formula is fine for those who can't make nursing work in their life, but where it would work many use formula anyway because it is so hard to learn)
- rglullis 3y ago
  I'm trying to add some content to help people like you. Can you take a look at https://communick.com/docs/getting-started-with-lemmy-a-guide-for-reddit-users https://communick.com/docs/getting-started-with-lemmy-a-guid... and give me some feedback?
PathfinderBot 3y ago
I've read a saying that the Internet starts with a capital 'I' because, as long as two open standards exist, someone will find a way to bridge them, thus, there will always only be one Internet. With the move away from closed platforms, I hope that this will once again become true. We need an NNTP to ActivityPub bridge, and perhaps to a few closed platforms like HN, webforums and Reddit as well.
tgv 3y ago
Lemmy has quite a few negatives. It's small, highly fragmented, obscure to newcomers, and still has a vitriolic commenters, even in the more serious groups. And it doesn't have any PR/marketing. It's not going to take off.
- rglullis 3y ago
  > It's not going to take off. It already did: https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy It will be a slow descent for reddit, but if you take the "rule" of social media that splits content creators/active participants/lurkers as 1/9/90%, and if we assume that a substantial amount of the 1% is moving away from reddit, then it stands to reason that the other 99% will end up following the creators. Yeah, network effects are still at play, but there is already a critical mass of people on Lemmy that want it to work. I find myself posting a lot more than I ever did on reddit (or even here) because I look at it as tending a garden.
  - shagie 3y ago
    > It will be a slow descent for reddit, but if you take the "rule" of social media that splits content creators/active participants/lurkers as 1/9/90%, and if we assume that a substantial amount of the 1% is moving away from reddit, then it stands to reason that the other 99% will end up following the creators. In the domains of programming, suggesting that many of the 1% have moved away from Reddit, that is extremely optimistic... though that may be my visibility into fragmentation of communities across Lemmy. https://lemmy.ml/c/java https://programming.dev/c/java From what I've seen, the content that has taken off on Lemmy tends to be the lower effort "ask Lemmy", memes, and similar. Instances on beehaw tend to be more thriving, but this may also be a function of more active moderation... which is one of those things that people rail about being unfair and Stack Overflow over moderates (that's another thread). The people who left Reddit appear to mostly be moderators who have gotten tired of moderating rather than people who are creating content / posts / commenting on Reddit. https://programming.dev/c/cs_career_questions 290 subscribers, most recent question was 8 days ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/ 1M subscribers (yes, bots, inactive and all), 25th oldest question was 9 hours ago. There was a surge a few weeks ago (especially as people hit private subs) - but it hasn't been sustained.

> The most similar thing to newsgroups today is Reddit, and I really enjoy following some communities. Which in turn will die and give way to Lemmy (generally ActivityPub).

jdsalaro 3y ago

I'm on Lemmy, but it's unfortunately too buggy atm. Having a blast on Tildes (Y) though.

brettermeier 3y ago

I just tried it. I created an account on a Lemmy instance. Now I also want to join other instances. But how to do it? I won't create an account for every instance, but I'm stuck now. So... don't know if that will ever replace Reddit. You really have to be a bit tech-savvy, and most users of the internet aren't. Edit: And the instructions how to do it are buried away somewhere around two-thirds of the way through the text on this page (https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/01-getting-started.html https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/01-getting-started.html), with way to much text on it for normal users to read it all or to not stop caring.

PathfinderBot 3y ago
> I just tried it. I created an account on a Lemmy instance. Now I also want to join other instances. But how to do it? I won't create an account for every instance, but I'm stuck now. Just like email, you do not need to create multiple accounts to talk to people from other servers, unless they have blocked one another. I am confused, I find it likely that HackerNews readers would know this. Perhaps you're making a point? > So... don't know if that will ever replace Reddit. You really have to be a bit tech-savvy, and most users of the internet aren't. I'm sure this is a familiar argument to most of us here. People usually focus on technical solutions, making it easier, one-click, fool-proof. I fear that is a game corporations and centralised services have an advantage in. I have an alternative. It's not an easy solution, but a social solution to this would be to have "family sysadmins". Someone in the family who is at least slightly tech-savvy, helping the other members of the family set up their accounts. There is no need for the average person to understand federation or to be tech-savvy in this case. In other words, "help your family and friends with their IT stuff instead of putting them in the control of big corporations".
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  If you need IT to make you a social media account the social media service is doomed.
- brettermeier 3y ago
  In my opinion it would help if useful instructions how to use such services won't look like an API documentation for developers. Your idea of having people in your family/friends that help everyone else with joining such communities is nice, but it also depends on some factors: - Do you know such people in your family? - Do you have a family/friends? - Do you want to waste their time with your needs, and how many people must be served by one person? It may work for some to many people to ask for help with something like this, but not for the masses I think.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    The only intuitive interface is the nipple. Everything else is learned. Now, it might be that the learning curve is steeper than the existing solutions, but think of all the things you had to learn while using reddit: - what is a sub? - What is the difference between posting a link, a text, an image? - How does voting affect the front-page? - What is Karma? - What is a DM? Now, think of things you'll probably have to learn to use Lemmy. - what is an instance? - What is a community? - How do I find communities to follow? - What is the difference between "local" and "all"? Why is it that "the masses" managed to learn how to use reddit, but wouldn't be able to learn Lemmy?
    - bluGill 3y ago
      As any women (or man watching this) who has tried to nurse a newborn baby can tell you, the nipple is not very intuitive. It is a lot of effort to teach a baby to use a nipple correctly. Few know how to teach this skill anymore and so a lot of mothers spend a lot of money on bottles/formula. (formula is fine for those who can't make nursing work in their life, but where it would work many use formula anyway because it is so hard to learn)
rglullis 3y ago
I'm trying to add some content to help people like you. Can you take a look at https://communick.com/docs/getting-started-with-lemmy-a-guide-for-reddit-users https://communick.com/docs/getting-started-with-lemmy-a-guid... and give me some feedback?

PathfinderBot 3y ago

I've read a saying that the Internet starts with a capital 'I' because, as long as two open standards exist, someone will find a way to bridge them, thus, there will always only be one Internet. With the move away from closed platforms, I hope that this will once again become true. We need an NNTP to ActivityPub bridge, and perhaps to a few closed platforms like HN, webforums and Reddit as well.

tgv 3y ago

Lemmy has quite a few negatives. It's small, highly fragmented, obscure to newcomers, and still has a vitriolic commenters, even in the more serious groups. And it doesn't have any PR/marketing. It's not going to take off.

rglullis 3y ago
> It's not going to take off. It already did: https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy It will be a slow descent for reddit, but if you take the "rule" of social media that splits content creators/active participants/lurkers as 1/9/90%, and if we assume that a substantial amount of the 1% is moving away from reddit, then it stands to reason that the other 99% will end up following the creators. Yeah, network effects are still at play, but there is already a critical mass of people on Lemmy that want it to work. I find myself posting a lot more than I ever did on reddit (or even here) because I look at it as tending a garden.
- shagie 3y ago
  > It will be a slow descent for reddit, but if you take the "rule" of social media that splits content creators/active participants/lurkers as 1/9/90%, and if we assume that a substantial amount of the 1% is moving away from reddit, then it stands to reason that the other 99% will end up following the creators. In the domains of programming, suggesting that many of the 1% have moved away from Reddit, that is extremely optimistic... though that may be my visibility into fragmentation of communities across Lemmy. https://lemmy.ml/c/java https://programming.dev/c/java From what I've seen, the content that has taken off on Lemmy tends to be the lower effort "ask Lemmy", memes, and similar. Instances on beehaw tend to be more thriving, but this may also be a function of more active moderation... which is one of those things that people rail about being unfair and Stack Overflow over moderates (that's another thread). The people who left Reddit appear to mostly be moderators who have gotten tired of moderating rather than people who are creating content / posts / commenting on Reddit. https://programming.dev/c/cs_career_questions 290 subscribers, most recent question was 8 days ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/ 1M subscribers (yes, bots, inactive and all), 25th oldest question was 9 hours ago. There was a surge a few weeks ago (especially as people hit private subs) - but it hasn't been sustained.