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The people involved in this concept/idea/proposal should be shamed into retirement. They should never work in the tech sector again. They should be afraid to us

The people involved in this concept/idea/proposal should be shamed into retirement. They should never work in the tech sector again. They should be afraid to use their names before first knowing their audience (an agricultural audience would likely be OK).

wraptile 3y ago
It's really perplexing how people in such privilidged positions would put their name on this. Either their not as smart as they appear or somehow manipulated/corrupted.
- piva00 3y ago
  One of them has been a SWE for only about 5-6 years, probably a smart person but naive enough to be the face of this proposal being pushed by some bigger fish in Google Corp that didn't want their name attached to it.
- caskstrength 3y ago
  I would assume they are prominently putting their names on the proposal to claim they lead this effort during performance review. After all, they are probably expecting a big payout for something like this.
- nvm0n1 3y ago
  Nah, they just realize that the sort of rank ideological hatred they're gonna get from the sort of people posting here isn't representative of the software industry as a whole let alone the wider world. The iPhone is a bastion of remote attestation. You can't just rock up and download apps from the iPhone app store using a convenient API, it's restricted so only the iPhone itself can do it. Do Apple engineers hesitate to use their real names? No, because nobody cares and heck HN threads often fill up with praise over the fact that you can't even install apps outside the app store, let alone download apps from it and emulate them on a PC. Games consoles are fully based on remote attestation. You can't connect a PC to the Xbox or PS gaming networks because they do RA to keep you out. Do the engineers who work on games consoles have to go into hiding? No, because nobody cares. HN never discusses it because it works and lots of gamers, especially the casual ones, prefer it. Fact is that users like this tech because it solves problems that they'd otherwise have. The web lacks it and therefore has to rely on user hostile stuff like CAPTCHAs, phone codes, magic JavaScripts and social network logins which people hate, so they switch to native apps instead. And devs hate dealing with all the automated abuse they get, so that pushes them towards app-only services too.
StrLght 3y ago
I don't think calling for targeted harassment is acceptable in *any* case. That's just taking it way too far. It would be more productive to make it impersonal. E.g., by asking Chrome users to abandon it fast.
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  You don't think that targetted "harassment" (e.g. publicly calling them dangerous people working against the interests of almost all of us) is called for when they advocate for and actively attempt design a system designed to take away power from us all as individuals? What would justify targetted harassment, then? > by asking Chrome users to abandon it fast. More productive? Or just utterly ineffective?

wraptile 3y ago

It's really perplexing how people in such privilidged positions would put their name on this. Either their not as smart as they appear or somehow manipulated/corrupted.

piva00 3y ago
One of them has been a SWE for only about 5-6 years, probably a smart person but naive enough to be the face of this proposal being pushed by some bigger fish in Google Corp that didn't want their name attached to it.
caskstrength 3y ago
I would assume they are prominently putting their names on the proposal to claim they lead this effort during performance review. After all, they are probably expecting a big payout for something like this.
nvm0n1 3y ago
Nah, they just realize that the sort of rank ideological hatred they're gonna get from the sort of people posting here isn't representative of the software industry as a whole let alone the wider world. The iPhone is a bastion of remote attestation. You can't just rock up and download apps from the iPhone app store using a convenient API, it's restricted so only the iPhone itself can do it. Do Apple engineers hesitate to use their real names? No, because nobody cares and heck HN threads often fill up with praise over the fact that you can't even install apps outside the app store, let alone download apps from it and emulate them on a PC. Games consoles are fully based on remote attestation. You can't connect a PC to the Xbox or PS gaming networks because they do RA to keep you out. Do the engineers who work on games consoles have to go into hiding? No, because nobody cares. HN never discusses it because it works and lots of gamers, especially the casual ones, prefer it. Fact is that users like this tech because it solves problems that they'd otherwise have. The web lacks it and therefore has to rely on user hostile stuff like CAPTCHAs, phone codes, magic JavaScripts and social network logins which people hate, so they switch to native apps instead. And devs hate dealing with all the automated abuse they get, so that pushes them towards app-only services too.

StrLght 3y ago

I don't think calling for targeted harassment is acceptable in *any* case. That's just taking it way too far. It would be more productive to make it impersonal. E.g., by asking Chrome users to abandon it fast.

PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
You don't think that targetted "harassment" (e.g. publicly calling them dangerous people working against the interests of almost all of us) is called for when they advocate for and actively attempt design a system designed to take away power from us all as individuals? What would justify targetted harassment, then? > by asking Chrome users to abandon it fast. More productive? Or just utterly ineffective?