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A gentle reminder: Musk doesn't build any of that, he's just a source of cash, like a bank crossed with a toddler. Thousands of employees build it. In the case

A gentle reminder: Musk doesn't build any of that, he's just a source of cash, like a bank crossed with a toddler. Thousands of employees build it. In the case of SpaceX and Tesla, they frequently build it in spite of Musk, dedicating time and effort to preventing him from screwing things up when he breezes in.

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maxlin 3y ago
A gentle reminder that this easily digestible lie isn't true. A cursory look at Elon with a technically critical hat on proves this wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden... https://youtu.be/t705r8ICkRw?t=378 https://youtu.be/t705r8ICkRw?t=378 This lie seems mostly accepted only by non-technical people in technical fields from what I've found out. Leads me to believe Elon actually is one of those great people that will be more appreciated after his passing.
- martin8412 3y ago
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  - maxlin 3y ago
    I take it you didn't even check the links because they disprove your comment but instead took something completely irrelevant but dislikeable and are now trying to somehow connect it to the context with chewgum. Congratulations for making the internet worse.
    - SgtBastard 3y ago
      I on the other hand did read your links and they prove the point being made by person you’re replying to, especially the second quoted source. No said Musk isn’t smart. No one said he isn’t capable nor a multi-disciplinarian. But to pretend he’s the chief/lead engineer of either SpaceX or Tesla (let alone both, at the same time) is laughably naive.
      - maxlin 3y ago
        Let's unpack. My original reply was to a comment saying Musk is just a money bag. The second comment I replied to was saying that Elon "giving himself" the Chief Engineer title doesn't change anything, effectively carrying over the original claim. "Chief/Lead Engineer" I guess this can mean a lot of different things. Reason I put "giving himself" to quotes, is because I've been in a situation in a few companies where titles weren't really much of a thing but if someone naturally ended up being in a leading role they would start to be called with such a title. Given that Elon likes to be hands-on, obviously has a lot of agency, is motivated, and works long hours while shuttling around in his jet every few days (you can hear him saying summaries of his % time used by whichever company in many interviews), I really don't see it impossible that he's grown to the shoes being discussed. I haven't heard anyone saying he's the lead engineer at multiple companies at the same time, though he probably has had periods of putting a lot more time to a specific company, like with Tesla during the over-automation production hell. I think this comes down to subjectivity and personal experience of what the title pertains. My experience as a Lead Engineer in software has come naturally as I have developed base of tech before others joined and cared for it, including reading most of other people's commits while working 1.5-2x the hours of others. This is in smaller companies. Probably in a bigger company, person with the title would use 70% of their time doing code review and attending meetings, working in a more tiered structure and being less hands-on. Can I ask why you think the Everyday Astronaut's interview (series) _specifically_ makes Musk incompatible with the "Lead Engineer" title?
        SgtBastard 3y ago
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        maxlin 3y ago
        I actually asked due to genuine interest considering your position and angle might be anything, even illuminating. Now it's not much of anything. No backing, No argument. Just some lame personal attack? Seriously?
        3y ago
    - krainboltgreene 3y ago
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      - maxlin 3y ago
        Yeah and Assange's been implicated of that too and all of them drink water. Trying to pull that kind of strings together on a conspiracy bulletin board with red eyes and shaggy hair in a dank cellar together doesn't really add value to the conversation.
        darkwraithcov 3y ago
        We get it, you’re a fan.
        krainboltgreene 3y ago
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- thepasswordis 3y ago
  It's incredible to me that this lie keeps getting repeated. It gets proven wrong every time, and yet people just keep saying it. It's like they have a personal investment in Elon not having done the things that Elon has very clearly actually done.
  - adventured 3y ago
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    - ethbr0 3y ago
      Or... people like saying things that make them appear witty. No need to ascribe political malice where typical internet popularity-seeking will suffice. "Elon didn't have anything to do with his companies' technical successes" and "Elon had everything to do with his companies' technical successes" are both low-energy, groupthink-supported replies at this point.
      - bag_boy 3y ago
        Those replies do really well when you’re hunting for karma
      - vGPU 3y ago
        Or we could take the middle ground, which is likely the most accurate. I don’t see anyone claiming Steve Jobs personally designed the iPhone PCB by hand while mining cobalt on the weekends to stay in shape, but on the other, I don’t see anyone claiming that he just provided money and the vision and engineers just manifested themselves.
  - vGPU 3y ago
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    - DropInIn 3y ago
      Getting a huge head start by being a privileged narcissistic raised by Apartheid emerald mine owners (aka Slave Owners) is not success on your own merits by any reasonable measure.
- vGPU 3y ago
  > He can get in discussions about flying a satellite and whether we can make the right orbit and deliver Dragon at the same time and solve all these equations in real time. I’m not sure if they mean he can do them in his head or not because the other part of that statement seems to imply so. Regardless, this definitely shows that he isn’t just the “money man”.
- johnnyworker 3y ago
  > Elon is brilliant. He’s involved in just about everything. He understands everything. https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/14/musk_twitter_rpc_spat/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/14/musk_twitter_rpc_spat...

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maxlin 3y ago

A gentle reminder that this easily digestible lie isn't true. A cursory look at Elon with a technically critical hat on proves this wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/evidence_that_musk_is_the_chief_engineer_of_spacex/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden... https://youtu.be/t705r8ICkRw?t=378 https://youtu.be/t705r8ICkRw?t=378 This lie seems mostly accepted only by non-technical people in technical fields from what I've found out. Leads me to believe Elon actually is one of those great people that will be more appreciated after his passing.

martin8412 3y ago
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- maxlin 3y ago
  I take it you didn't even check the links because they disprove your comment but instead took something completely irrelevant but dislikeable and are now trying to somehow connect it to the context with chewgum. Congratulations for making the internet worse.
  - SgtBastard 3y ago
    I on the other hand did read your links and they prove the point being made by person you’re replying to, especially the second quoted source. No said Musk isn’t smart. No one said he isn’t capable nor a multi-disciplinarian. But to pretend he’s the chief/lead engineer of either SpaceX or Tesla (let alone both, at the same time) is laughably naive.
    - maxlin 3y ago
      Let's unpack. My original reply was to a comment saying Musk is just a money bag. The second comment I replied to was saying that Elon "giving himself" the Chief Engineer title doesn't change anything, effectively carrying over the original claim. "Chief/Lead Engineer" I guess this can mean a lot of different things. Reason I put "giving himself" to quotes, is because I've been in a situation in a few companies where titles weren't really much of a thing but if someone naturally ended up being in a leading role they would start to be called with such a title. Given that Elon likes to be hands-on, obviously has a lot of agency, is motivated, and works long hours while shuttling around in his jet every few days (you can hear him saying summaries of his % time used by whichever company in many interviews), I really don't see it impossible that he's grown to the shoes being discussed. I haven't heard anyone saying he's the lead engineer at multiple companies at the same time, though he probably has had periods of putting a lot more time to a specific company, like with Tesla during the over-automation production hell. I think this comes down to subjectivity and personal experience of what the title pertains. My experience as a Lead Engineer in software has come naturally as I have developed base of tech before others joined and cared for it, including reading most of other people's commits while working 1.5-2x the hours of others. This is in smaller companies. Probably in a bigger company, person with the title would use 70% of their time doing code review and attending meetings, working in a more tiered structure and being less hands-on. Can I ask why you think the Everyday Astronaut's interview (series) _specifically_ makes Musk incompatible with the "Lead Engineer" title?
      - SgtBastard 3y ago
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        maxlin 3y ago
        I actually asked due to genuine interest considering your position and angle might be anything, even illuminating. Now it's not much of anything. No backing, No argument. Just some lame personal attack? Seriously?
        3y ago
  - krainboltgreene 3y ago
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    - maxlin 3y ago
      Yeah and Assange's been implicated of that too and all of them drink water. Trying to pull that kind of strings together on a conspiracy bulletin board with red eyes and shaggy hair in a dank cellar together doesn't really add value to the conversation.
      - darkwraithcov 3y ago
        We get it, you’re a fan.
      - krainboltgreene 3y ago
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thepasswordis 3y ago
It's incredible to me that this lie keeps getting repeated. It gets proven wrong every time, and yet people just keep saying it. It's like they have a personal investment in Elon not having done the things that Elon has very clearly actually done.
- adventured 3y ago
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  - ethbr0 3y ago
    Or... people like saying things that make them appear witty. No need to ascribe political malice where typical internet popularity-seeking will suffice. "Elon didn't have anything to do with his companies' technical successes" and "Elon had everything to do with his companies' technical successes" are both low-energy, groupthink-supported replies at this point.
    - bag_boy 3y ago
      Those replies do really well when you’re hunting for karma
    - vGPU 3y ago
      Or we could take the middle ground, which is likely the most accurate. I don’t see anyone claiming Steve Jobs personally designed the iPhone PCB by hand while mining cobalt on the weekends to stay in shape, but on the other, I don’t see anyone claiming that he just provided money and the vision and engineers just manifested themselves.
- vGPU 3y ago
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  - DropInIn 3y ago
    Getting a huge head start by being a privileged narcissistic raised by Apartheid emerald mine owners (aka Slave Owners) is not success on your own merits by any reasonable measure.
vGPU 3y ago
> He can get in discussions about flying a satellite and whether we can make the right orbit and deliver Dragon at the same time and solve all these equations in real time. I’m not sure if they mean he can do them in his head or not because the other part of that statement seems to imply so. Regardless, this definitely shows that he isn’t just the “money man”.
johnnyworker 3y ago
> Elon is brilliant. He’s involved in just about everything. He understands everything. https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/14/musk_twitter_rpc_spat/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/11/14/musk_twitter_rpc_spat...