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I don’t think astrology is stereotyping, it’s completely made up, not just an oversimplification or over generalization.

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copperx 3y ago
Maybe we're getting into the unproductive game of definitions, but perhaps stereotyping is still stereotyping when the categories are completely made up. After all, stereotyping implies incorrect categories. Otherwise it would be called classification.
- Swenrekcah 3y ago
  Getting deeper into semantics, I have always understood stereotypes to be an essentially correct general average. Then of course people are so different that the average for a group fits no person in the group more than perhaps 30% so it always ends up being wrong when applied without thought. But the general stereotype is not “completely made up” so to speak, it’s an observed average. Then of course some total crap is always thrown in the mix but still.
  - skissane 3y ago
    From the viewpoint of the victims of a stereotype, I doubt that the degree of factual foundation which the stereotype possesses makes much of a difference.
  - Izkata 3y ago
    Or based on a misunderstanding, but still coming from a real observation. For example in the US, apparently there used to be a stereotype that polish people are stupid, which came from language differences - polish immigrants had a lot more trouble with English than everyone else, or even were less likely to know any English.
- benterix 3y ago
  > After all, stereotyping implies incorrect categories. Well, not neccessarily: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/201809/stereotype-accuracy-displeasing-truth https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/2018...
geysersam 3y ago
The main difference is the history of genocide and slavery associated with racism.
ilyt 3y ago
I don't think the source of stereotype matters.
kybernetikos 3y ago
A stereotype is a generalized belief about a category of people, I don't think there has to be any seed of accuracy to the categorisation in order for it to considered a stereotype. Someone who believes in horoscopes has a stereotype for people born in the first part of April. I have a stereotype for first children. Whether or not they capture anything real, they still count as stereotypes.
yieldcrv 3y ago
and so you can make up addendums they start stereotyping a Scorpio and you say “those are the dark traits and we can choose to exist in the light, Scorpio’s light qualities are…” its the blind leading the blind, but they want a leader. its the same position as in organized religions. just wait till you hit it, you’re never going to get into these semantical debates again

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copperx 3y ago

Maybe we're getting into the unproductive game of definitions, but perhaps stereotyping is still stereotyping when the categories are completely made up. After all, stereotyping implies incorrect categories. Otherwise it would be called classification.

Swenrekcah 3y ago
Getting deeper into semantics, I have always understood stereotypes to be an essentially correct general average. Then of course people are so different that the average for a group fits no person in the group more than perhaps 30% so it always ends up being wrong when applied without thought. But the general stereotype is not “completely made up” so to speak, it’s an observed average. Then of course some total crap is always thrown in the mix but still.
- skissane 3y ago
  From the viewpoint of the victims of a stereotype, I doubt that the degree of factual foundation which the stereotype possesses makes much of a difference.
- Izkata 3y ago
  Or based on a misunderstanding, but still coming from a real observation. For example in the US, apparently there used to be a stereotype that polish people are stupid, which came from language differences - polish immigrants had a lot more trouble with English than everyone else, or even were less likely to know any English.
benterix 3y ago
> After all, stereotyping implies incorrect categories. Well, not neccessarily: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/201809/stereotype-accuracy-displeasing-truth https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/2018...

geysersam 3y ago

The main difference is the history of genocide and slavery associated with racism.

ilyt 3y ago

I don't think the source of stereotype matters.

kybernetikos 3y ago

A stereotype is a generalized belief about a category of people, I don't think there has to be any seed of accuracy to the categorisation in order for it to considered a stereotype. Someone who believes in horoscopes has a stereotype for people born in the first part of April. I have a stereotype for first children. Whether or not they capture anything real, they still count as stereotypes.

yieldcrv 3y ago

and so you can make up addendums they start stereotyping a Scorpio and you say “those are the dark traits and we can choose to exist in the light, Scorpio’s light qualities are…” its the blind leading the blind, but they want a leader. its the same position as in organized religions. just wait till you hit it, you’re never going to get into these semantical debates again