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VirtualBox 7.0.10 download links have disappeared

145 points by trashburger 3y ago

trashburger 3y ago
Compare to archived version from yesterday: https://web.archive.org/web/20230722011832/https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads https://web.archive.org/web/20230722011832/https://www.virtu...
chungy 3y ago
I'm guessing it's just a mistake. Tried posting about it on the forums?
chungy 3y ago
The actual files seem to be intact, just a web page glitch: https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/7.0.10 https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/7.0.10
- kkshetty 3y ago
  Some folks on here are saying this was an unintended release. The link https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/LATEST-STABLE.TXT https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/LATEST-STABLE.TXT also points to 7.0.10 being the latest release
anta40 3y ago
BTW, I'm on 7.0.8 and clicking "Check for Updates" gives mo "Nothing to update ...". Wonder if 7.0.10 wasn't an "intended" update?
- fathyb 3y ago
  The changelog looks pretty mundane: https://web.archive.org/web/20230721185635/https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog https://web.archive.org/web/20230721185635/https://www.virtu...
- bdcravens 3y ago
  Or whatever underlying CMS they use is also the source of truth for the update check.
- stephenr 3y ago
  It's been that way since 7.0.10 released last week.
vortico 3y ago
Have you tried contacting support? https://www.oracle.com/virtualization/contact-form.html https://www.oracle.com/virtualization/contact-form.html
- smarx007 3y ago
  He did contact HN, a premier provider of support. /s
  - Uehreka 3y ago
    What you wrote was cleanly executed sarcasm on its own. The /s is only for people who don’t know what they’re doing, you can remove it.
    - bdowling 3y ago
      Haven't you heard of Poe's Law? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law.
      - Uehreka 3y ago
        Poe’s Law is vastly over-invoked. In any social setting where some amount of context can be assumed, it doesn’t apply. And even if someone wanted to challenge me on that, I’d argue that the tiny number of people who would think “HN is a tech support site” is being said seriously aren’t worth the two seconds it takes to type “/s”.
        saghm 3y ago
        The time it takes to type `/s` is a decent bit lower than two seconds, and yet the amount of time you've spend trying to argue that it's not worth it is vastly more.
        yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
        > In any social setting where some amount of context can be assumed, it doesn’t apply. That amount is larger than is available in most (probably all) HN comment sections.
Cypher 3y ago
why?
LassiEnchanting 3y ago
Oracle VirtualDoxx likes to phone home. I'd rather use qemu. * edit: Oracle VirtualBox even calls home to check if you've got a valid Windows Server License, and it will Narc and Cop you out. Use qemu or something else; people! Oracle is the cousin of cancer. If an Oracle product is free, please re-think! Stay safe, people! Oracle VirtualBox virtually, not a pun, logs tons of things that you do within it.
pimlottc 3y ago
Context? Why is this significant?
- booi 3y ago
  Slow news day?
  - accrual 3y ago
    I'm all for more slow news days.
  - ForOldHack 3y ago
    They are all slow news days now. I have not been on Reddit for a good two weeks, I still hate it more than I miss it.
- dredmorbius 3y ago
  Virtualbox has been controlled by Oracle since that company's acquisition of the former Sun Microsystems in 2010. Oracle has a remarkably chequered past regarding its hosting of Free Software projects: OpenOffice, OpenSolaris, Mysql, and AFAIR several Apache projects, off the top of my head. Virtualbox itself has been somewhat closed down / restricted over the course of Oracle's tenure. This could well be an early indication of further such moves on Oracle's part. That's very decidedly not clear at the moment, but would well bear further observation.
  - chungy 3y ago
    Your conspiracy theory sensor is set a bit too sensitively. :) This isn't Oracle acting malicious. It's a mistake.
    - politelemon 3y ago
      Having experienced oracle's actions over the past few decades, there is no line between conspiracy and reality.
    - 3y ago
silcoon 3y ago
Also the M1/M2 version download has disappeared. Can anyone find it?
- stephenr 3y ago
  My understanding is that they never "intended" to release it at the time it was (based on a forum post from their devs). Have you actually been using it? It wasn't clear to me from the high level posts/commentary about it, until I had an Arm Mac to try it with, that it does not in fact run Arm VMs - it runs 32bit x86 VMs, extremely slowly. I'm really curious who, if anyone, is using it.
jccalhoun 3y ago
From the virtualbox forum: >Something is amiss. It's been reported, should be fixed soon. Meanwhile user "marmel" has noticed that the downloads are still available on https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/ https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/ https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=538844#p538844 https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=538844#p538844
entropicgravity 3y ago
Fine with me I recently moved to KVM from Vbox. It took a few hours of paper cuts to get the first VM up and running but once done it's very easy to use. Good timing for me.
- vladvasiliu 3y ago
  What kind of paper cuts? I've always wondered why people would use 3rd party virtualization solutions instead of the native ones. Is it for better performance? Is it so that they could use the same tools as their colleagues using a different OS? Are there things which flat out don't work or are much more difficult to configure? In my case, Hyper V and KVM always allowed me to do what I needed.
  - yrro 3y ago
    It's familiarity and following online "tuts" that show how to use particular tools.
  - mr_mitm 3y ago
    Shared folders don't work as well (still haven't figured out how to mount a read-only folder in the guest or a read-write folder where permissions translate correctly), linked clones aren't straight forward (and you can't modify the parent while a child clone exists), and the UI is much worse compared to VirtualBox, which is mostly self-explanatory. With KVM/QEMU I found it hard to even find the right man page with the information I'm looking for. I still prefer KVM over VirtualBox, but I'd be lying if I said that it wasn't more work.
  - lucb1e 3y ago
    TIL Hyper-V is more than system calls, I didn't know it has a GUI (edit: apparently it's command-line only, and the GUI I saw on an image search is on Windows Server only, so 99% of people can't use this already). Thought that it was a set of APIs for vmware and the likes to use under Windows, and that Virtual PC was what Microsoft offered as front-end. But which other "native" virtualisation platforms do you mean? I don't know that the Linux Foundation has an official virtualisation product, and couldn't name one for macOS or iOS either. Edit: and Hyper-V is apparently missing basics like any audio support at all, so that makes it useless for most users. Not sure this would be anyone's default choice when you can use cross-platform, open source, and more featureful software
omoikane 3y ago
Has anyone tried any of the 7.x releases? It sounded buggy according to this 9 month old thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualbox/comments/y56gpv/anything_i_should_know_before_upgrading_from/ https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualbox/comments/y56gpv/anything...
- deaddodo 3y ago
  I use 7.0.x for an old Debian install (3.1), FreeBSD and Windows (all guests, the host is Windows 11 or Fedora 37). All seem to work fine, at least none of the major issues that thread brings up (3daccel on windows, broken efi, etc).
- cshokie 3y ago
  Compatibility with Windows seems a lot better in 7 compared to 6, both as host and as guest. They also seem to have added a number of features such as secure boot. It seems that there was quite a time gap between 6 and 7 so a whole lot of changes built up. Whether those things matter to you, or not, is in the eye of the beholder.
  - rincebrain 3y ago
    I mean, Secure Boot went in in a furious rush because otherwise Windows 11 wouldn't boot stock, heh.
    - cshokie 3y ago
      VirtualBox 7 came out almost exactly one year after the initial release of Windows 11. The bypass of the Secure Boot requirement was needed for quite a while. October 2022 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-7.0 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-7.0 October 2021 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11
      - rincebrain 3y ago
        Sure, I know it was required for a while, but ISTR there being a very visible burst of work toward it and TPM support right after that requirement change became public.
korginator 3y ago
I would be cautious or even distrustful of using anything from Oracle. VirtualBox components come under three different licenses - GPLv2, personal use & evaluation license, and an enterprise license. Their VirtualBox license FAQ [1] gives them enough leeway to change future licenses at will. If an exploit is discovered in your old VirtualBox and they've changed the license, you're out of luck. Be specially careful when installing their extension pack, as it is an evaluation license. We've moved our development to KVM and Virtual Machine Manager on Linux [3] and UTM on Mac [4]. There are other options to run your VM, such as Multipass [5] or VirtualBuddy [6]. On a digressive topic - it was fun migrating our legacy application server stack from Oracle Java (old & poorly considered decision) to OpenJDK, thanks to their license [2]. [1] https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ [2] https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase/jdk-faqs.html https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase/jdk-faqs.htm... [3] https://ubuntu.com/blog/kvm-hyphervisor https://ubuntu.com/blog/kvm-hyphervisor [4] https://mac.getutm.app/ https://mac.getutm.app/ [5] https://multipass.run/ https://multipass.run/ [6] https://github.com/insidegui/VirtualBuddy https://github.com/insidegui/VirtualBuddy
- kramerger 3y ago
  Not only that. In past oracle lawyers have send huge bills to companies after someone in their IP range had used virtualbox guest editions (which is not free for commercial use).
  - josephcsible 3y ago
    > virtualbox guest editions (which is not free for commercial use) This is false. https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ says: > the VirtualBox Guest Additions are licensed under the GPLv2. You might have been thinking of the VirtualBox Extension Pack, which is an entirely different thing.
    - qwertox 3y ago
      But it's pretty hard not to use the Extension Pack.
UberFly 3y ago
I'm on 7.0.10 with various Windows guests and no issues to speak of.
nurettin 3y ago
Last week I downloaded the latest VMware player and installed Windows 11. (I had to run the efi boot file manually) It works well, and it has a sane non-commercial license that doesn't allow the company to send tax collectors to your home.
- m2f2 3y ago
  ... so far ... Stay tuned for more changes as soon as Broadcom takes control
- secondcoming 3y ago
  VMWare Player is honestly great. I've been using it for years for all work stuff on my personal device. It's software that I'm happy to pay for.
pm2222 3y ago
VMware player seems fine but bridging wifi doesn’t work.
- lillecarl 3y ago
  Bridging wifi shouldn't work. Something something only one mac per wifi client. If it works somewhere else they're doing some ebtables/nftables l2 magic.
  - Nullabillity 3y ago
    Wifi extenders are pretty common and somehow manage to do exactly this…
    - yrro 3y ago
      They are probably dumb rebroadcasters which is a bit of a hack, useful in some circumstances but not without causing their own problems.
      - Nullabillity 3y ago
        Can't be that, since they usually also have an ethernet port that they bridge onto.
        lillecarl 3y ago
        It can be this. The device is both a wifi client, does L2 magic for the ethernet port (you can't put a switch behind it) and it can rebroadcast wifi signals, because to do so you don't have to be a client to rebroadcast, but you have to half your airtime, so you're halfing your speed.
        Nullabillity 3y ago
        At least the ones I've used also had their own IP address (for the config interface). Hell, one even had a switch built in! (It was a home router with a pretend-to-be-an-extender mode.)
holoduke 3y ago
How is it possible that a company like Oracle still exists. There must be a lot of lobbing/bribing to keep this company alive.
self_awareness 3y ago
Oracle does a very good job in ensurnig their software is used by as least users as possible. My company has recently issued a global e-mail requiring all employees to uninstall everything related to VirtualBox and switch to different solutions (vmware, parallels). It's a shame, because VirtualBox was one of my favorite virtualizers, but at this point I'm afraid that Oracle lawyers will get me for staring on an icon for too long without paying an extended icon license.
- ForOldHack 3y ago
  Are they going to start charging for air now?
  - SllX 3y ago
    The lawyers in R&D are working on this as we speak. But nobody tell them that hardware stores figured this out decades ago…
- stephenr 3y ago
  > VirtualBox was one of my favorite virtualizers Can I ask why? The "big selling point" for a long time has been the $0 cost - it's essentially common knowledge now that Parallels or VMWare will provide anywhere from slightly to much better performance on the same hardware.
  - self_awareness 3y ago
    Well, yes, that was the main thing, it was free to use, and it was easier to "convince" it to virtualize macOS on non-Apple hardware. Also I liked the fact that it was easy to run headless VMs (VBoxHeadless), and the "VBoxManage" command-line tool was pretty capable. Plus, the dual monitor functionality worked on my setup pretty well (Linux host and Windows guest). But anyway, today I have everything I need through KVM and virt-manager when I want to run Linux or Windows guests, on macOS I use UTM for home/manual use. On macOS VirtualBox was a no-go because VirtualBox is an x86 virtualizer, so they don't have plans to support arm64 anyway.
mobilio 3y ago
They are still here: https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/7.0.10/ https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/7.0.10/
bArray 3y ago
I see them currently: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads Had a look on their page edits and couldn't see anything there: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads?action=history https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads?action=history Perhaps some form of glitch?
dlahoda 3y ago
on windows use hyperv as best solution, on linux we have best. same for mac. so just lacking, i did no searched so, one mgmt script set to abstract best per platform. vbox sucks if it is not open, there are closed best alternatives per platform. and there is vmware.
mystcb 3y ago
Just spotted - while looking around, seems like the links have returned: (for v7.0.10). Honestly, it was as I was looking at the history to see what happened on the page, it just re-appeared when I went back. (Clicked on the latest version number in the history, now it appeares every time) https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

145 points by trashburger 3y ago

Compare to archived version from yesterday: https://web.archive.org/web/20230722011832/https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads https://web.archive.org/web/20230722011832/https://www.virtu...

chungy 3y ago

I'm guessing it's just a mistake. Tried posting about it on the forums?

chungy 3y ago

The actual files seem to be intact, just a web page glitch: https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/7.0.10 https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/7.0.10

kkshetty 3y ago
Some folks on here are saying this was an unintended release. The link https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/LATEST-STABLE.TXT https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/LATEST-STABLE.TXT also points to 7.0.10 being the latest release

anta40 3y ago

BTW, I'm on 7.0.8 and clicking "Check for Updates" gives mo "Nothing to update ...". Wonder if 7.0.10 wasn't an "intended" update?

fathyb 3y ago
The changelog looks pretty mundane: https://web.archive.org/web/20230721185635/https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog https://web.archive.org/web/20230721185635/https://www.virtu...
bdcravens 3y ago
Or whatever underlying CMS they use is also the source of truth for the update check.
stephenr 3y ago
It's been that way since 7.0.10 released last week.

vortico 3y ago

Have you tried contacting support? https://www.oracle.com/virtualization/contact-form.html https://www.oracle.com/virtualization/contact-form.html

smarx007 3y ago
He did contact HN, a premier provider of support. /s
- Uehreka 3y ago
  What you wrote was cleanly executed sarcasm on its own. The /s is only for people who don’t know what they’re doing, you can remove it.
  - bdowling 3y ago
    Haven't you heard of Poe's Law? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law.
    - Uehreka 3y ago
      Poe’s Law is vastly over-invoked. In any social setting where some amount of context can be assumed, it doesn’t apply. And even if someone wanted to challenge me on that, I’d argue that the tiny number of people who would think “HN is a tech support site” is being said seriously aren’t worth the two seconds it takes to type “/s”.
      - saghm 3y ago
        The time it takes to type `/s` is a decent bit lower than two seconds, and yet the amount of time you've spend trying to argue that it's not worth it is vastly more.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
        > In any social setting where some amount of context can be assumed, it doesn’t apply. That amount is larger than is available in most (probably all) HN comment sections.

Cypher 3y ago

why?

LassiEnchanting 3y ago

Oracle VirtualDoxx likes to phone home. I'd rather use qemu. * edit: Oracle VirtualBox even calls home to check if you've got a valid Windows Server License, and it will Narc and Cop you out. Use qemu or something else; people! Oracle is the cousin of cancer. If an Oracle product is free, please re-think! Stay safe, people! Oracle VirtualBox virtually, not a pun, logs tons of things that you do within it.

pimlottc 3y ago

Context? Why is this significant?

booi 3y ago
Slow news day?
- accrual 3y ago
  I'm all for more slow news days.
- ForOldHack 3y ago
  They are all slow news days now. I have not been on Reddit for a good two weeks, I still hate it more than I miss it.
dredmorbius 3y ago
Virtualbox has been controlled by Oracle since that company's acquisition of the former Sun Microsystems in 2010. Oracle has a remarkably chequered past regarding its hosting of Free Software projects: OpenOffice, OpenSolaris, Mysql, and AFAIR several Apache projects, off the top of my head. Virtualbox itself has been somewhat closed down / restricted over the course of Oracle's tenure. This could well be an early indication of further such moves on Oracle's part. That's very decidedly not clear at the moment, but would well bear further observation.
- chungy 3y ago
  Your conspiracy theory sensor is set a bit too sensitively. :) This isn't Oracle acting malicious. It's a mistake.
  - politelemon 3y ago
    Having experienced oracle's actions over the past few decades, there is no line between conspiracy and reality.
  - 3y ago

silcoon 3y ago

Also the M1/M2 version download has disappeared. Can anyone find it?

stephenr 3y ago
My understanding is that they never "intended" to release it at the time it was (based on a forum post from their devs). Have you actually been using it? It wasn't clear to me from the high level posts/commentary about it, until I had an Arm Mac to try it with, that it does not in fact run Arm VMs - it runs 32bit x86 VMs, extremely slowly. I'm really curious who, if anyone, is using it.

jccalhoun 3y ago

From the virtualbox forum: >Something is amiss. It's been reported, should be fixed soon. Meanwhile user "marmel" has noticed that the downloads are still available on https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/ https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/ https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=538844#p538844 https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=538844#p538844

entropicgravity 3y ago

Fine with me I recently moved to KVM from Vbox. It took a few hours of paper cuts to get the first VM up and running but once done it's very easy to use. Good timing for me.

vladvasiliu 3y ago
What kind of paper cuts? I've always wondered why people would use 3rd party virtualization solutions instead of the native ones. Is it for better performance? Is it so that they could use the same tools as their colleagues using a different OS? Are there things which flat out don't work or are much more difficult to configure? In my case, Hyper V and KVM always allowed me to do what I needed.
- yrro 3y ago
  It's familiarity and following online "tuts" that show how to use particular tools.
- mr_mitm 3y ago
  Shared folders don't work as well (still haven't figured out how to mount a read-only folder in the guest or a read-write folder where permissions translate correctly), linked clones aren't straight forward (and you can't modify the parent while a child clone exists), and the UI is much worse compared to VirtualBox, which is mostly self-explanatory. With KVM/QEMU I found it hard to even find the right man page with the information I'm looking for. I still prefer KVM over VirtualBox, but I'd be lying if I said that it wasn't more work.
- lucb1e 3y ago
  TIL Hyper-V is more than system calls, I didn't know it has a GUI (edit: apparently it's command-line only, and the GUI I saw on an image search is on Windows Server only, so 99% of people can't use this already). Thought that it was a set of APIs for vmware and the likes to use under Windows, and that Virtual PC was what Microsoft offered as front-end. But which other "native" virtualisation platforms do you mean? I don't know that the Linux Foundation has an official virtualisation product, and couldn't name one for macOS or iOS either. Edit: and Hyper-V is apparently missing basics like any audio support at all, so that makes it useless for most users. Not sure this would be anyone's default choice when you can use cross-platform, open source, and more featureful software

omoikane 3y ago

Has anyone tried any of the 7.x releases? It sounded buggy according to this 9 month old thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualbox/comments/y56gpv/anything_i_should_know_before_upgrading_from/ https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualbox/comments/y56gpv/anything...

deaddodo 3y ago
I use 7.0.x for an old Debian install (3.1), FreeBSD and Windows (all guests, the host is Windows 11 or Fedora 37). All seem to work fine, at least none of the major issues that thread brings up (3daccel on windows, broken efi, etc).
cshokie 3y ago
Compatibility with Windows seems a lot better in 7 compared to 6, both as host and as guest. They also seem to have added a number of features such as secure boot. It seems that there was quite a time gap between 6 and 7 so a whole lot of changes built up. Whether those things matter to you, or not, is in the eye of the beholder.
- rincebrain 3y ago
  I mean, Secure Boot went in in a furious rush because otherwise Windows 11 wouldn't boot stock, heh.
  - cshokie 3y ago
    VirtualBox 7 came out almost exactly one year after the initial release of Windows 11. The bypass of the Secure Boot requirement was needed for quite a while. October 2022 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-7.0 https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-7.0 October 2021 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11
    - rincebrain 3y ago
      Sure, I know it was required for a while, but ISTR there being a very visible burst of work toward it and TPM support right after that requirement change became public.

korginator 3y ago

I would be cautious or even distrustful of using anything from Oracle. VirtualBox components come under three different licenses - GPLv2, personal use & evaluation license, and an enterprise license. Their VirtualBox license FAQ [1] gives them enough leeway to change future licenses at will. If an exploit is discovered in your old VirtualBox and they've changed the license, you're out of luck. Be specially careful when installing their extension pack, as it is an evaluation license. We've moved our development to KVM and Virtual Machine Manager on Linux [3] and UTM on Mac [4]. There are other options to run your VM, such as Multipass [5] or VirtualBuddy [6]. On a digressive topic - it was fun migrating our legacy application server stack from Oracle Java (old & poorly considered decision) to OpenJDK, thanks to their license [2]. [1] https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ [2] https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase/jdk-faqs.html https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase/jdk-faqs.htm... [3] https://ubuntu.com/blog/kvm-hyphervisor https://ubuntu.com/blog/kvm-hyphervisor [4] https://mac.getutm.app/ https://mac.getutm.app/ [5] https://multipass.run/ https://multipass.run/ [6] https://github.com/insidegui/VirtualBuddy https://github.com/insidegui/VirtualBuddy

kramerger 3y ago
Not only that. In past oracle lawyers have send huge bills to companies after someone in their IP range had used virtualbox guest editions (which is not free for commercial use).
- josephcsible 3y ago
  > virtualbox guest editions (which is not free for commercial use) This is false. https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Licensing_FAQ says: > the VirtualBox Guest Additions are licensed under the GPLv2. You might have been thinking of the VirtualBox Extension Pack, which is an entirely different thing.
  - qwertox 3y ago
    But it's pretty hard not to use the Extension Pack.

UberFly 3y ago

I'm on 7.0.10 with various Windows guests and no issues to speak of.

nurettin 3y ago

Last week I downloaded the latest VMware player and installed Windows 11. (I had to run the efi boot file manually) It works well, and it has a sane non-commercial license that doesn't allow the company to send tax collectors to your home.

m2f2 3y ago
... so far ... Stay tuned for more changes as soon as Broadcom takes control
secondcoming 3y ago
VMWare Player is honestly great. I've been using it for years for all work stuff on my personal device. It's software that I'm happy to pay for.

pm2222 3y ago

VMware player seems fine but bridging wifi doesn’t work.

lillecarl 3y ago
Bridging wifi shouldn't work. Something something only one mac per wifi client. If it works somewhere else they're doing some ebtables/nftables l2 magic.
- Nullabillity 3y ago
  Wifi extenders are pretty common and somehow manage to do exactly this…
  - yrro 3y ago
    They are probably dumb rebroadcasters which is a bit of a hack, useful in some circumstances but not without causing their own problems.
    - Nullabillity 3y ago
      Can't be that, since they usually also have an ethernet port that they bridge onto.
      - lillecarl 3y ago
        It can be this. The device is both a wifi client, does L2 magic for the ethernet port (you can't put a switch behind it) and it can rebroadcast wifi signals, because to do so you don't have to be a client to rebroadcast, but you have to half your airtime, so you're halfing your speed.
        Nullabillity 3y ago
        At least the ones I've used also had their own IP address (for the config interface). Hell, one even had a switch built in! (It was a home router with a pretend-to-be-an-extender mode.)

holoduke 3y ago

How is it possible that a company like Oracle still exists. There must be a lot of lobbing/bribing to keep this company alive.

self_awareness 3y ago

Oracle does a very good job in ensurnig their software is used by as least users as possible. My company has recently issued a global e-mail requiring all employees to uninstall everything related to VirtualBox and switch to different solutions (vmware, parallels). It's a shame, because VirtualBox was one of my favorite virtualizers, but at this point I'm afraid that Oracle lawyers will get me for staring on an icon for too long without paying an extended icon license.

ForOldHack 3y ago
Are they going to start charging for air now?
- SllX 3y ago
  The lawyers in R&D are working on this as we speak. But nobody tell them that hardware stores figured this out decades ago…
stephenr 3y ago
> VirtualBox was one of my favorite virtualizers Can I ask why? The "big selling point" for a long time has been the $0 cost - it's essentially common knowledge now that Parallels or VMWare will provide anywhere from slightly to much better performance on the same hardware.
- self_awareness 3y ago
  Well, yes, that was the main thing, it was free to use, and it was easier to "convince" it to virtualize macOS on non-Apple hardware. Also I liked the fact that it was easy to run headless VMs (VBoxHeadless), and the "VBoxManage" command-line tool was pretty capable. Plus, the dual monitor functionality worked on my setup pretty well (Linux host and Windows guest). But anyway, today I have everything I need through KVM and virt-manager when I want to run Linux or Windows guests, on macOS I use UTM for home/manual use. On macOS VirtualBox was a no-go because VirtualBox is an x86 virtualizer, so they don't have plans to support arm64 anyway.

mobilio 3y ago

They are still here: https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/7.0.10/ https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/7.0.10/

bArray 3y ago

I see them currently: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads Had a look on their page edits and couldn't see anything there: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads?action=history https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads?action=history Perhaps some form of glitch?

dlahoda 3y ago

on windows use hyperv as best solution, on linux we have best. same for mac. so just lacking, i did no searched so, one mgmt script set to abstract best per platform. vbox sucks if it is not open, there are closed best alternatives per platform. and there is vmware.

mystcb 3y ago

Just spotted - while looking around, seems like the links have returned: (for v7.0.10). Honestly, it was as I was looking at the history to see what happened on the page, it just re-appeared when I went back. (Clicked on the latest version number in the history, now it appeares every time) https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads