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But they are a lot harder to drive, mainly because you have not got any engine noise feedback. Just like if I were to buy a Porsche with a flappy paddle gearbo

But they are a lot harder to drive, mainly because you have not got any engine noise feedback. Just like if I were to buy a Porsche with a flappy paddle gearbox, I'd ask their Sonderwunsch dept, to put a clutch peddle in, for those times I need to dip the clutch in order to gain control of the vehicle when driving on the limit because of the reasons why the 930 got its nickname the Widow Maker. At best all I could do at the moment with a flappy paddle gearbox is try to boot the gearbox into a high gear like 6 or 7 and hope it can change gear fast enough whilst hoping the engine is not too powerful to act like the handbrake has been pulled up unceremoniously when taking my foot off the accelerator. Now where in the controls do I alter the regen amount on an electric car, in order to stop it from contributing to an accident when driving on the limit? I bet its not a single action control, but something buried deep inside a menu somewhere. Of course the added weight of the batteries and thus increased weight of the vehicle, makes the experience much more like driving an electric train on the open road, stable and safe most of the time, but one hell of an accident when one does occur!

HPsquared 3y ago
Maybe drive a little slower on public roads?
SoftTalker 3y ago
If you're driving a Porsche "on the limit" I hope you're on a racetrack and not the public roads.
- darkclouds 3y ago
  You have heard of snow, ice, rain, mud and sand, you do find them on the open road you know. Glad to see your default impression of Porsche is speed though, that reinforces my desire to purchase one. :-) Thing is the 911 Dakar which is ideal for the above mentioned conditions doesnt come with a towing eye, so I'd have to have the surfboards on the roof rack or poking out through the sunroof, and I've got no where to tow some jet skis if I wanted to hit the beach but you can do anything you like between the high and low water mark on a UK beach and I know some fantastic beaches perfect for this car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqc-HPeaQv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqc-HPeaQv8
thomastjeffery 3y ago
You're talking about a gearbox. Those aren't generally used in EVs, because an electric motor will happily put out tens of thousands of RPMs with plenty of torque at low speeds.
- darkclouds 3y ago
  They arent in EV's the motors are wound to deliver a certain characteristic of a motor, but EV's nearly all have fantastic RPM abilities with max torque available through the entire rev range. Toyota I think have announced they are simulating a gearbox in one of their new EV's which in my opinion is an admission that EV's are much harder to control because the need to feather the accelerator becomes a necessity unless the rate of acceleration is dialed back by the manufacturer. And then extra acceleration performance sold as an in car purchase like we are now seeing in some cars with heated seats can be sold unless the owner doesnt know someone who can hack the vehicle management system. But just like many people complained about the brakes of the mk1 and mk2 VW golfs and polos, and porsche's in the 964's and earlier ie pre-ABS brakes, what those people complaining about is exactly how you want your brakes to work like if you dont have or need ABS. I could apply the brakes in such a way, I could have the front passenger side wheel locked up, but the remaining brakes not locked and then feathering the brakes so as to not flat spot the tyre. Its virtually impossible to do that in todays ABS braking system world and I would always switch the traction control and other systems off because I could react faster than the systems could. Although I have to admit the Mercedes AMG S63 has for over a decade now, have a better braking system which enables the rear end to slide out a bit more around roundabouts in certain conditions, like what is today known as drift mode.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    > which in my opinion is an admission that EV's are much harder to control because the need to feather the accelerator becomes a necessity unless the rate of acceleration is dialed back by the manufacturer Are you speaking from personal experience here? The accelerator takes some getting used to, but most people adapt in like 30 or so seconds. What Toyota wants is something on an EV that simulates a manual transmission...for people who like sports cars, they like shifting. Sort of like EVs that put a subwoofer under your butt to simulate voom voom engine sounds. These are niche products.

HPsquared 3y ago

Maybe drive a little slower on public roads?

SoftTalker 3y ago

If you're driving a Porsche "on the limit" I hope you're on a racetrack and not the public roads.

darkclouds 3y ago
You have heard of snow, ice, rain, mud and sand, you do find them on the open road you know. Glad to see your default impression of Porsche is speed though, that reinforces my desire to purchase one. :-) Thing is the 911 Dakar which is ideal for the above mentioned conditions doesnt come with a towing eye, so I'd have to have the surfboards on the roof rack or poking out through the sunroof, and I've got no where to tow some jet skis if I wanted to hit the beach but you can do anything you like between the high and low water mark on a UK beach and I know some fantastic beaches perfect for this car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqc-HPeaQv8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqc-HPeaQv8

thomastjeffery 3y ago

You're talking about a gearbox. Those aren't generally used in EVs, because an electric motor will happily put out tens of thousands of RPMs with plenty of torque at low speeds.

darkclouds 3y ago
They arent in EV's the motors are wound to deliver a certain characteristic of a motor, but EV's nearly all have fantastic RPM abilities with max torque available through the entire rev range. Toyota I think have announced they are simulating a gearbox in one of their new EV's which in my opinion is an admission that EV's are much harder to control because the need to feather the accelerator becomes a necessity unless the rate of acceleration is dialed back by the manufacturer. And then extra acceleration performance sold as an in car purchase like we are now seeing in some cars with heated seats can be sold unless the owner doesnt know someone who can hack the vehicle management system. But just like many people complained about the brakes of the mk1 and mk2 VW golfs and polos, and porsche's in the 964's and earlier ie pre-ABS brakes, what those people complaining about is exactly how you want your brakes to work like if you dont have or need ABS. I could apply the brakes in such a way, I could have the front passenger side wheel locked up, but the remaining brakes not locked and then feathering the brakes so as to not flat spot the tyre. Its virtually impossible to do that in todays ABS braking system world and I would always switch the traction control and other systems off because I could react faster than the systems could. Although I have to admit the Mercedes AMG S63 has for over a decade now, have a better braking system which enables the rear end to slide out a bit more around roundabouts in certain conditions, like what is today known as drift mode.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  > which in my opinion is an admission that EV's are much harder to control because the need to feather the accelerator becomes a necessity unless the rate of acceleration is dialed back by the manufacturer Are you speaking from personal experience here? The accelerator takes some getting used to, but most people adapt in like 30 or so seconds. What Toyota wants is something on an EV that simulates a manual transmission...for people who like sports cars, they like shifting. Sort of like EVs that put a subwoofer under your butt to simulate voom voom engine sounds. These are niche products.