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Tips in the U.S. are insane. I feel like there's now a social expectation to tip for everything, even if it involves no actually tip-worthy service due to credi

Tips in the U.S. are insane. I feel like there's now a social expectation to tip for everything, even if it involves no actually tip-worthy service due to credit card machines. And the low end is now 18-20%. I recently went to Europe and tips were not expected, the food was no more expensive (maybe even less so) than the US, and the service was fine.

avereveard 3y ago
We are importing in Europe tips trough those dash/uber apps. I thoroughly hate that, especially if the app ask a tip beforehand, and I wish those services fee would be legislated out of existence.
- veave 3y ago
  ubereats really tries to make you feel guilty for not tipping. Fuck that.
- drstewart 3y ago
  >We are importing in Europe Any time Europe does something it doesn't like I always read how it's an "imported" trend (usually from America). Europeans just can't ever accept they are responsible for their own behavior. They're just helpless and twisting in the wind at America's mercy when it comes to these things. Of course, when it comes to things they're proud of then they're a strong independent people that don't need no America.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  The sad thing is that food-delivery drivers in a number of EU cities are largely migrants employed by organized crime. They have to hand over all the money they make to their bosses, and get only a tiny amount back, so the customer gets the annoyance of being asked for a tip, and the delivery person doesn’t even get the tip.
  - capableweb 3y ago
    > The sad thing is that food-delivery drivers in a number of EU cities are largely migrants employed by organized crime This is the first time I hear this stated as a fact rather than a theory, where has this been confirmed to be happening exactly?
    - orwin 3y ago
      In France : https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/autoentrepreneurs/travail-dissimule-de-sans-papiers-travail-illegal-de-mineur-dans-les-coulisses-d-uber-eats-et-deliveroo_2980647.html https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/autoentrepreneurs/trava... (in French, video) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/16/business/uber-eats-deliveroo-glovo-migrants.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/16/business/uber-eats-delive... (in English, article)
      - pseudo0 3y ago
        The NYT article doesn't even mention organized crime, just French delivery workers subcontracting out their deliveries. It is sort of an ironic twist on the independent contractor vs. employee debate: > French labor law allows independent contractors to outsource to legal workers, but Uber Eats, Stuart and Glovo said they prohibited subcontracting.
        orwin 3y ago
        Sorry, can't find anything about how organized crime has taken the field. But: if this happens in Marseille/Nice, I'm ready to bet organized crime has a hand in it. Mafias still have a lot of power there, and they're taking all the fringe paralegals businesses.
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  Rounding up cash transactions, sometimes significantly so (e.g. 80 CZK to 100 CZK) was always a thing in Czechia at least, though it was very activity-specific. A restaurant or a pub, yes, a taxi, yes, a bellhop or another hotel employee, maybe (there, the tip might serve as a borderline bribe for being discreet, e.g. if a married man books a room with an unmarried lady for one night). Literature older than 100 years mentions tipping in similar contexts. OTOH tipping would look very strange, say, at the post office. Just not done. Perhaps leaving some very small change on the tray, but that's it. Same with most retail shops.
glogla 3y ago
I had waiter in Italy tell me "select zero on the card terminal, that goes to my boss, not me, if you want to tip leave some cash". But yes, the craziness is coming here too. I have not seen it myself, but my friend complained about grocery store self-checkout asking for tip. Touchscreen order terminals in fast food takeout places also ask for tip, of course.
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  Self checkout? Not only no. Who did the work? Why, I did. If I tip someone, I'll tip myself. I could see more of a case for tipping at non-self-checkout. At least there, the employee is doing the work. But even there, why has it changed? What's different from what they were doing 10 years ago? I could also see tipping checkout people during Covid (though I didn't think of it at the time). They were putting their health, and maybe their lives, on the line so that I could continue to eat. That was way above and beyond the job they thought they were signing up for. Tipping then would have been a kind of hazard pay.

avereveard 3y ago

We are importing in Europe tips trough those dash/uber apps. I thoroughly hate that, especially if the app ask a tip beforehand, and I wish those services fee would be legislated out of existence.

veave 3y ago
ubereats really tries to make you feel guilty for not tipping. Fuck that.
drstewart 3y ago
>We are importing in Europe Any time Europe does something it doesn't like I always read how it's an "imported" trend (usually from America). Europeans just can't ever accept they are responsible for their own behavior. They're just helpless and twisting in the wind at America's mercy when it comes to these things. Of course, when it comes to things they're proud of then they're a strong independent people that don't need no America.
OfSanguineFire 3y ago
The sad thing is that food-delivery drivers in a number of EU cities are largely migrants employed by organized crime. They have to hand over all the money they make to their bosses, and get only a tiny amount back, so the customer gets the annoyance of being asked for a tip, and the delivery person doesn’t even get the tip.
- capableweb 3y ago
  > The sad thing is that food-delivery drivers in a number of EU cities are largely migrants employed by organized crime This is the first time I hear this stated as a fact rather than a theory, where has this been confirmed to be happening exactly?
  - orwin 3y ago
    In France : https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/autoentrepreneurs/travail-dissimule-de-sans-papiers-travail-illegal-de-mineur-dans-les-coulisses-d-uber-eats-et-deliveroo_2980647.html https://www.francetvinfo.fr/economie/autoentrepreneurs/trava... (in French, video) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/16/business/uber-eats-deliveroo-glovo-migrants.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/16/business/uber-eats-delive... (in English, article)
    - pseudo0 3y ago
      The NYT article doesn't even mention organized crime, just French delivery workers subcontracting out their deliveries. It is sort of an ironic twist on the independent contractor vs. employee debate: > French labor law allows independent contractors to outsource to legal workers, but Uber Eats, Stuart and Glovo said they prohibited subcontracting.
      - orwin 3y ago
        Sorry, can't find anything about how organized crime has taken the field. But: if this happens in Marseille/Nice, I'm ready to bet organized crime has a hand in it. Mafias still have a lot of power there, and they're taking all the fringe paralegals businesses.
inglor_cz 3y ago
Rounding up cash transactions, sometimes significantly so (e.g. 80 CZK to 100 CZK) was always a thing in Czechia at least, though it was very activity-specific. A restaurant or a pub, yes, a taxi, yes, a bellhop or another hotel employee, maybe (there, the tip might serve as a borderline bribe for being discreet, e.g. if a married man books a room with an unmarried lady for one night). Literature older than 100 years mentions tipping in similar contexts. OTOH tipping would look very strange, say, at the post office. Just not done. Perhaps leaving some very small change on the tray, but that's it. Same with most retail shops.

glogla 3y ago

I had waiter in Italy tell me "select zero on the card terminal, that goes to my boss, not me, if you want to tip leave some cash". But yes, the craziness is coming here too. I have not seen it myself, but my friend complained about grocery store self-checkout asking for tip. Touchscreen order terminals in fast food takeout places also ask for tip, of course.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
Self checkout? Not only no. Who did the work? Why, I did. If I tip someone, I'll tip myself. I could see more of a case for tipping at non-self-checkout. At least there, the employee is doing the work. But even there, why has it changed? What's different from what they were doing 10 years ago? I could also see tipping checkout people during Covid (though I didn't think of it at the time). They were putting their health, and maybe their lives, on the line so that I could continue to eat. That was way above and beyond the job they thought they were signing up for. Tipping then would have been a kind of hazard pay.