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Personally I’d never buy a car made in China. Related, I find it pretty strange Volvo is trying to establish a luxury brand (Polestar) but instead of building P

Personally I’d never buy a car made in China. Related, I find it pretty strange Volvo is trying to establish a luxury brand (Polestar) but instead of building Polestars in Sweden they are building them in China.

noxon 3y ago
I’m more concerned about the Chinese software. I rather like the Volvo EVs.
- addisonl 3y ago
  Oh don’t get me wrong, I test drove the Polestar 2 and liked it—miles better interior than the Model 3—but them being made in China was a deal breaker. I’m trying to buy less things made in China and dropping $60k on a Chinese vehicle doesn’t really fit that goal. Plus the shady software as you mention.
  - AnonymousPlanet 3y ago
    Here in Europe we can get Teslas assembled in China. Plenty of Tesla fans here have told me to get one from China because they are of way better quality than the ones assembled in the US.
    - user_named 3y ago
      Americans have no sense of quality.
    - deleted 3y ago
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- Supersaiyan_IV 3y ago
  Oh, the software isn't Chinese at all. You can trust me on that one. Source: I don't work for Volvo anymore, but I've authored both Volvo and Polestar 2 code, some of it in the latest 2.10 update.
chii 3y ago
> luxury brand which goes to show that luxury branding is worthless, if it's all just marketing. I want quality components, quality builds and long lasting performance. I do find that stuff built in china can have all of these qualities, but chances are they don't (and it's deliberate, to reduce costs). Then selling the product at a luxury price to maximize profit.
- addisonl 3y ago
  Definitely don’t agree with this at all. Go sit in a VW then sit in an Audi, or Toyota/Lexus, Hyundai/Genesis and tell me they are of the same quality. They are not.
  - DANmode 3y ago
    Sit in an Audi, then sit in a Toyota Venza.
  - letrowekwel 3y ago
    Depends on how you define quality. A car that feels nice to sit on and drive may not be the most reliable way to get you from point A to point B consistently. The reliability of many (at least older) Toyota models is impressive, while German reliability has been mostly a myth in the 2000's.
  - deaddodo 3y ago
    They didn't say luxury is all marketing (ergo, the "if"); they said scoping your car as a luxury product while it's not devalues the meaning. They then provided a specific example and pointed out that most products they've bought/researched from China (so, completely anecdotal) seem to be of lower quality.
  - solardev 3y ago
    I honestly don't know which ones of these are luxury or not. I was in a VW and a Lexas, and many Toyotas. They all felt... totally fine?
  - solumunus 3y ago

noxon 3y ago

I’m more concerned about the Chinese software. I rather like the Volvo EVs.

addisonl 3y ago
Oh don’t get me wrong, I test drove the Polestar 2 and liked it—miles better interior than the Model 3—but them being made in China was a deal breaker. I’m trying to buy less things made in China and dropping $60k on a Chinese vehicle doesn’t really fit that goal. Plus the shady software as you mention.
- AnonymousPlanet 3y ago
  Here in Europe we can get Teslas assembled in China. Plenty of Tesla fans here have told me to get one from China because they are of way better quality than the ones assembled in the US.
  - user_named 3y ago
    Americans have no sense of quality.
  - deleted 3y ago
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Supersaiyan_IV 3y ago
Oh, the software isn't Chinese at all. You can trust me on that one. Source: I don't work for Volvo anymore, but I've authored both Volvo and Polestar 2 code, some of it in the latest 2.10 update.

chii 3y ago

> luxury brand which goes to show that luxury branding is worthless, if it's all just marketing. I want quality components, quality builds and long lasting performance. I do find that stuff built in china can have all of these qualities, but chances are they don't (and it's deliberate, to reduce costs). Then selling the product at a luxury price to maximize profit.

addisonl 3y ago
Definitely don’t agree with this at all. Go sit in a VW then sit in an Audi, or Toyota/Lexus, Hyundai/Genesis and tell me they are of the same quality. They are not.
- DANmode 3y ago
  Sit in an Audi, then sit in a Toyota Venza.
- letrowekwel 3y ago
  Depends on how you define quality. A car that feels nice to sit on and drive may not be the most reliable way to get you from point A to point B consistently. The reliability of many (at least older) Toyota models is impressive, while German reliability has been mostly a myth in the 2000's.
- deaddodo 3y ago
  They didn't say luxury is all marketing (ergo, the "if"); they said scoping your car as a luxury product while it's not devalues the meaning. They then provided a specific example and pointed out that most products they've bought/researched from China (so, completely anecdotal) seem to be of lower quality.
- solardev 3y ago
  I honestly don't know which ones of these are luxury or not. I was in a VW and a Lexas, and many Toyotas. They all felt... totally fine?
- solumunus 3y ago