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Because I know for a fact, that no one on the ground was losing sleep over desertification. I'm not dismissing its ecological affect, but to claim it's the roo

by _4cbz 3y ago

Because I know for a fact, that no one on the ground was losing sleep over desertification. I'm not dismissing its ecological affect, but to claim it's the root cause, I see as belittling and trying to erase what the people were actually fighting for: If you're in the mood for harsh history lesson, there's a list of root causes here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Syria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Syria

MichaelZuo 3y ago
> Because I know for a fact, that no one on the ground was losing sleep over desertification. Why does that matter? What people lose sleep over or not can be due to totally trivial reasons or for reasons that are far removed from the actual biggest threat facing them.
ceejayoz 3y ago
A list of massacres is not a root cause; those are symptoms of something.
- _4cbz 3y ago
  Surely massacres are not a symptom of desertification?
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Loss of water, living space, and farming livelihoods absolutely leads to nasty stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conflict
  - imtringued 3y ago
    Syrian massacres are a symptom of protestors and rebels gathering at a certain point and the government using military force and now we are back to square one. I have read a bunch of them and the massacres are clearly in response to resistance movements so they cannot be the root causes. The problem isn't a trigger happy government that just needs to get it's hand off its weapons and then peace sets in. If anything, if I had to point to a root cause based on almost no research I would start here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Syrian_Revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Syrian_Revolution and not with some random massacre.
chaostheory 3y ago
No one loses sleep about root causes. Most people tend to only care about the symptoms that result from it.
imtringued 3y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_U.S._airstrike_in_Baghuz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_U.S._airstrike_in_Baghu... "According to the report by The New York Times, the crowd had been identified as civilians by U.S. drone operators based in Al-Udeid airbase in Qatar. The drone operators were reportedly stunned seeing the first 500 lb bomb dropped, followed by a second 2,000 lb bomb on the survivors; 80 people were killed including Islamic State fighters according to The New York Times report.[2]" How on earth is dropping a bomb supposed to be a root cause? If you really wanted to point out root causes you would link to the most important massacres instead of expecting us to do your research for you.

by _4cbz 3y ago

MichaelZuo 3y ago

> Because I know for a fact, that no one on the ground was losing sleep over desertification. Why does that matter? What people lose sleep over or not can be due to totally trivial reasons or for reasons that are far removed from the actual biggest threat facing them.

ceejayoz 3y ago

A list of massacres is not a root cause; those are symptoms of something.

_4cbz 3y ago
Surely massacres are not a symptom of desertification?
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Loss of water, living space, and farming livelihoods absolutely leads to nasty stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_conflict
- imtringued 3y ago
  Syrian massacres are a symptom of protestors and rebels gathering at a certain point and the government using military force and now we are back to square one. I have read a bunch of them and the massacres are clearly in response to resistance movements so they cannot be the root causes. The problem isn't a trigger happy government that just needs to get it's hand off its weapons and then peace sets in. If anything, if I had to point to a root cause based on almost no research I would start here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Syrian_Revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Syrian_Revolution and not with some random massacre.

chaostheory 3y ago

No one loses sleep about root causes. Most people tend to only care about the symptoms that result from it.

imtringued 3y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_U.S._airstrike_in_Baghuz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_U.S._airstrike_in_Baghu... "According to the report by The New York Times, the crowd had been identified as civilians by U.S. drone operators based in Al-Udeid airbase in Qatar. The drone operators were reportedly stunned seeing the first 500 lb bomb dropped, followed by a second 2,000 lb bomb on the survivors; 80 people were killed including Islamic State fighters according to The New York Times report.[2]" How on earth is dropping a bomb supposed to be a root cause? If you really wanted to point out root causes you would link to the most important massacres instead of expecting us to do your research for you.