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> The Democrats launched FBI investigations against their political opponents without sufficient legal backing. According to who? Durham? What a joke.

TrispusAttucks 3y ago
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- bandyaboot 3y ago
  Are you aware of something specific that establishes that that’s a true statement? Because if this is about the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign, I haven’t seen a single thing to suggest that the impetus for that investigation was “the Democrats”. I think if anything should be clear, the FBI doesn’t need outside direction to abuse their power.
adrr 3y ago
Same guy who lost all his cases when they went to trial for this “corruption”. Republicans have led the FBI for the last 20 years. Comey, Mueller, Wray,Freeh are all republicans.
- fencepost 3y ago
  Republicans have led the FBI effectively since it was established. Even Democratic Presidents have appointed Republican heads of the FBI, though it's possible that there's been an acting head that was A Democrat.
- deleted 3y ago
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- TechBro8615 3y ago
  It's such a weak argument when defenders of the FBI and democrat corruption cite the failure of its victims to prove that corruption in court (usually in front of a DC jury that voted 92% democrat). Like, that's the point. One side of the political apparatus weaponized the justice system against the other, then covered it up, and obscured any investigation into it through equally corrupt lawfare and political deflection. I see the same argument attacking the credibility of the whistleblower who was a business partner of Hunter Biden when they received money from the Chinese energy company CEFC - "oh your whistleblower was indicted by the DOJ so he has no credibility" - well, the accusation begs the question that the Republicans are complaining about in the first place, namely why wasn't Hunter Biden similarly indicted for the same FARA violations as his business partner who's blowing the whistle on his lack of indictment? It's flawed logic. You can't cover up your crimes by arresting the criminal you did the crimes with and then saying he's got no credibility because he's a criminal.
  - hanszarkov 3y ago
    > You can't cover up your crimes by arresting the criminal you > did the crimes with and then saying he's got no credibility > because he's a criminal. Yep, 100%
pseudo0 3y ago
According to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court [0] and the FBI IG [1]. And an FBI lawyer pleaded guilty to a felony for forging an email used as justification for the wiretapping [2]. [0] - https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fisa-court-confirms-two-carter-page-surveillance-applications-not-valid/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fisa-court-confirms-two-... [1] - https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ig-report-details-significant-omissions-and-inaccurate-information-in-fisa-application-to-surveil-carter-page/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ig-report-details-signif... [2] - https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/ex-fbi-lawyer-agrees-one-year-bar-sanction-after-conviction-2021-06-28/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/ex-fbi-lawyer-agree...
- tynpeddler 3y ago
  You're confusing a single wiretap warrant that was a small part of a large investigation with the investigation itself.
- thumbuddy 3y ago
  You are aware that there were dozens of arrests from that investigation of literal foreign agents working with that presidential campaign right? It wasn't without merit... At all... There's been MORE arrests since as well.
- kouru225 3y ago
  So within a massive investigation that was completely above board 99% of the time and led to arrests and prison time for dozens of officials that were involved in corruption on a mass scale, one wiretap application was improper and led to a one year suspension for the FBI agent who oversaw it? And this is supposed to be evidence that the Democratic Party as a whole are purposely lying to investigate their opponents? You listening to yourself rn?
  - adolph 3y ago
    > that was completely above board 99% How do you know that in order to make the claim?

TrispusAttucks 3y ago

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bandyaboot 3y ago
Are you aware of something specific that establishes that that’s a true statement? Because if this is about the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign, I haven’t seen a single thing to suggest that the impetus for that investigation was “the Democrats”. I think if anything should be clear, the FBI doesn’t need outside direction to abuse their power.

adrr 3y ago

Same guy who lost all his cases when they went to trial for this “corruption”. Republicans have led the FBI for the last 20 years. Comey, Mueller, Wray,Freeh are all republicans.

fencepost 3y ago
Republicans have led the FBI effectively since it was established. Even Democratic Presidents have appointed Republican heads of the FBI, though it's possible that there's been an acting head that was A Democrat.
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TechBro8615 3y ago
It's such a weak argument when defenders of the FBI and democrat corruption cite the failure of its victims to prove that corruption in court (usually in front of a DC jury that voted 92% democrat). Like, that's the point. One side of the political apparatus weaponized the justice system against the other, then covered it up, and obscured any investigation into it through equally corrupt lawfare and political deflection. I see the same argument attacking the credibility of the whistleblower who was a business partner of Hunter Biden when they received money from the Chinese energy company CEFC - "oh your whistleblower was indicted by the DOJ so he has no credibility" - well, the accusation begs the question that the Republicans are complaining about in the first place, namely why wasn't Hunter Biden similarly indicted for the same FARA violations as his business partner who's blowing the whistle on his lack of indictment? It's flawed logic. You can't cover up your crimes by arresting the criminal you did the crimes with and then saying he's got no credibility because he's a criminal.
- hanszarkov 3y ago
  > You can't cover up your crimes by arresting the criminal you > did the crimes with and then saying he's got no credibility > because he's a criminal. Yep, 100%

pseudo0 3y ago

According to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court [0] and the FBI IG [1]. And an FBI lawyer pleaded guilty to a felony for forging an email used as justification for the wiretapping [2]. [0] - https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fisa-court-confirms-two-carter-page-surveillance-applications-not-valid/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fisa-court-confirms-two-... [1] - https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ig-report-details-significant-omissions-and-inaccurate-information-in-fisa-application-to-surveil-carter-page/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/ig-report-details-signif... [2] - https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/ex-fbi-lawyer-agrees-one-year-bar-sanction-after-conviction-2021-06-28/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/ex-fbi-lawyer-agree...

tynpeddler 3y ago
You're confusing a single wiretap warrant that was a small part of a large investigation with the investigation itself.
thumbuddy 3y ago
You are aware that there were dozens of arrests from that investigation of literal foreign agents working with that presidential campaign right? It wasn't without merit... At all... There's been MORE arrests since as well.
kouru225 3y ago
So within a massive investigation that was completely above board 99% of the time and led to arrests and prison time for dozens of officials that were involved in corruption on a mass scale, one wiretap application was improper and led to a one year suspension for the FBI agent who oversaw it? And this is supposed to be evidence that the Democratic Party as a whole are purposely lying to investigate their opponents? You listening to yourself rn?
- adolph 3y ago
  > that was completely above board 99% How do you know that in order to make the claim?