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> filial piety Interesting addition, and not one that a lot of people who had shitty childhoods would say is appropriate to include.

GloomyBoots 3y ago
Some of us who had shitty childhoods would agree that filial piety and nurturing caregivers are good things even though we had neither.
- meepmorp 3y ago
  Not that not it's not nice to have, but in the particular context of the thread it was presented as a component of how to define what constitutes a functional person. Filial piety, owing respect ones parents, strikes me as quite different from things like being able to clothe and feed oneself, bathe regularly, and do productive work. Do you think that's a reasonable expectation for everyone?
  - GloomyBoots 3y ago
    No, I agree. I think it’s unlike the others in that it’s a virtue and not just a basic life skill. I just disagreed with what I perceived to be a knee-jerk aversion to a virtue because it doesn’t apply in some circumstances.
coldtea 3y ago
>Interesting addition Only interesting in ~ 2023. Was a standard addition for millenia...
- meepmorp 3y ago
  Yeah, and the idea that you need to have a relationship with and/or respect your parents purely because they produced you has been bad for people for millennia. Getting away from abusive people (if indeed that is the situation with one's parents) is a good thing, and pressure to have such a relationship despite the harm to oneself is a bad thing.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    >has been bad for people for millennia I don't know, it's not like we have some successful high ground as a society...
    - lostmsu 3y ago
      No major wars since WW2?
      - coldtea 3y ago
        That's because the European powers got obliterated in WW2 and US secured the top position, making their previous in-fighting for European and global dominance (which caused WWI and WW2) moot. Not only they couldn't even attempt to secure more power, they even lost what remained of their colonial "empires" around that time. Post-WW2, the US as the new top dog going to grab its global spoils, went on to fight, directly (Korea, Vietnam, all the way to the modern invasions) and indirectly fuel all kinds of peripheral wars, and if the USSR was in better status and had a firmer grip globally, a major war could have been on the cards too, it came close at several times, like the Bay of Pigs. But they folded by themselves (plus there was this "mutual assured destruction thing"). So, it's more like senile people in some elderly hospice bragging how peaceful they are that they don't get into bar fights anymore - when neither their age and health, nor the conditions they're now in would make any sense for them to do so.
GauntletWizard 3y ago
They only said that it was worth striving for, and not what needed to be corrected to make it happen.

GloomyBoots 3y ago

Some of us who had shitty childhoods would agree that filial piety and nurturing caregivers are good things even though we had neither.

meepmorp 3y ago
Not that not it's not nice to have, but in the particular context of the thread it was presented as a component of how to define what constitutes a functional person. Filial piety, owing respect ones parents, strikes me as quite different from things like being able to clothe and feed oneself, bathe regularly, and do productive work. Do you think that's a reasonable expectation for everyone?
- GloomyBoots 3y ago
  No, I agree. I think it’s unlike the others in that it’s a virtue and not just a basic life skill. I just disagreed with what I perceived to be a knee-jerk aversion to a virtue because it doesn’t apply in some circumstances.

coldtea 3y ago

>Interesting addition Only interesting in ~ 2023. Was a standard addition for millenia...

meepmorp 3y ago
Yeah, and the idea that you need to have a relationship with and/or respect your parents purely because they produced you has been bad for people for millennia. Getting away from abusive people (if indeed that is the situation with one's parents) is a good thing, and pressure to have such a relationship despite the harm to oneself is a bad thing.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >has been bad for people for millennia I don't know, it's not like we have some successful high ground as a society...
  - lostmsu 3y ago
    No major wars since WW2?
    - coldtea 3y ago
      That's because the European powers got obliterated in WW2 and US secured the top position, making their previous in-fighting for European and global dominance (which caused WWI and WW2) moot. Not only they couldn't even attempt to secure more power, they even lost what remained of their colonial "empires" around that time. Post-WW2, the US as the new top dog going to grab its global spoils, went on to fight, directly (Korea, Vietnam, all the way to the modern invasions) and indirectly fuel all kinds of peripheral wars, and if the USSR was in better status and had a firmer grip globally, a major war could have been on the cards too, it came close at several times, like the Bay of Pigs. But they folded by themselves (plus there was this "mutual assured destruction thing"). So, it's more like senile people in some elderly hospice bragging how peaceful they are that they don't get into bar fights anymore - when neither their age and health, nor the conditions they're now in would make any sense for them to do so.

GauntletWizard 3y ago

They only said that it was worth striving for, and not what needed to be corrected to make it happen.