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I'm sorry to hijack the thread but as someone forced to use Notion as a team wiki, please improve the performance! I can't emphasize this enough. The Notion sub

I'm sorry to hijack the thread but as someone forced to use Notion as a team wiki, please improve the performance! I can't emphasize this enough. The Notion subreddit is filled with complaints: if that's not a wake up call to every single PM at Notion, I don't know what is. Stop shipping features until the perf is a joy to your users. It's mind-boggling to me that companies would prio anything over fixing perf outside of fixing bugs. Notion is the single biggest frustration of any workplace tool I've ever used in my entire software career and it all comes down to its performance.

dilap 3y ago
yeah i hate the slow perf too, but their success in the market unfortunately i think validates the "features over perf" strategy (also, as slow as it is now, it's MUCH faster than it used to be, if you can imagine that!)
littlestymaar 3y ago
> Notion is the single biggest frustration of any workplace tool I've ever used in my entire software career and it all comes down to its performance. Even worse than JIRA, or MS Teams? That sounds horrible indeed.
- ponyous 3y ago
  Not in my experience. Notion is faster than Jira. But we don't have super massive wikis, hundreds of pages at most.
- emptysongglass 3y ago
  Yes, worse but it depends on what type of page you're working in. If it's of medium complexity and up, it's worse (a few media elements, maybe a database, etc.) If it's just text, it's faster than JIRA or Teams.
  - nXqd 3y ago
    I have the same problem, I understand the enjoyment of sales / marketing team when it comes to using Notion, but for engineering team, it's just horrible, so slow.
- gemstones 3y ago
  I can vouch for it being worse than JIRA, which I was absolutely not prepared for when I moved to a company that uses Notion for its ticketing system.
simongr3dal 3y ago
They could try the WebKit strategy [1]; a strict policy against performance regression: > We adhere to a simple directive for all work we do on WebKit: The way to make a program faster is to never let it get slower. [1]: https://webkit.org/performance/ https://webkit.org/performance/
vorpalhex 3y ago
I went from being a notion advocate to a hater. Perf, mobile apps, and pricing weirdness have just made it clear it's no longer a high quality product but another enterprise-y Jira type product. The early notion product was really performant, the mobile apps were ok enough and it had good ideas. Now my last remaining notion sites sit on my to do list to be migrated to an alternative. The mobile apps are trash. Working with notion is painful.
- esafak 3y ago
  What is your alternative?
  - vorpalhex 3y ago
    Most things moved into Obsidian with databases that needed to stay databases (versus tables) going into NocoDB (an airtable clone that can use sqlite). I still haven't found a replacement for "online thing that anyone can edit easily". Some wiki systems are close but I don't want to give up some of the richer component types like kanban cards.
pperi11 3y ago
Notion is definitely quite slow But I also think a lot of companies in the same stage as Notion have fallen into the trap of shipping features (namely AI features) ahead of fixing perf bugs
dang 3y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36799739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36799739.

dilap 3y ago

yeah i hate the slow perf too, but their success in the market unfortunately i think validates the "features over perf" strategy (also, as slow as it is now, it's MUCH faster than it used to be, if you can imagine that!)

littlestymaar 3y ago

> Notion is the single biggest frustration of any workplace tool I've ever used in my entire software career and it all comes down to its performance. Even worse than JIRA, or MS Teams? That sounds horrible indeed.

ponyous 3y ago
Not in my experience. Notion is faster than Jira. But we don't have super massive wikis, hundreds of pages at most.
emptysongglass 3y ago
Yes, worse but it depends on what type of page you're working in. If it's of medium complexity and up, it's worse (a few media elements, maybe a database, etc.) If it's just text, it's faster than JIRA or Teams.
- nXqd 3y ago
  I have the same problem, I understand the enjoyment of sales / marketing team when it comes to using Notion, but for engineering team, it's just horrible, so slow.
gemstones 3y ago
I can vouch for it being worse than JIRA, which I was absolutely not prepared for when I moved to a company that uses Notion for its ticketing system.

simongr3dal 3y ago

They could try the WebKit strategy [1]; a strict policy against performance regression: > We adhere to a simple directive for all work we do on WebKit: The way to make a program faster is to never let it get slower. [1]: https://webkit.org/performance/ https://webkit.org/performance/

vorpalhex 3y ago

I went from being a notion advocate to a hater. Perf, mobile apps, and pricing weirdness have just made it clear it's no longer a high quality product but another enterprise-y Jira type product. The early notion product was really performant, the mobile apps were ok enough and it had good ideas. Now my last remaining notion sites sit on my to do list to be migrated to an alternative. The mobile apps are trash. Working with notion is painful.

esafak 3y ago
What is your alternative?
- vorpalhex 3y ago
  Most things moved into Obsidian with databases that needed to stay databases (versus tables) going into NocoDB (an airtable clone that can use sqlite). I still haven't found a replacement for "online thing that anyone can edit easily". Some wiki systems are close but I don't want to give up some of the richer component types like kanban cards.

pperi11 3y ago

Notion is definitely quite slow But I also think a lot of companies in the same stage as Notion have fallen into the trap of shipping features (namely AI features) ahead of fixing perf bugs

dang 3y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36799739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36799739.