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He works for 5 minutes because he is never hired again because they have rights to his likeness and can just drop an animated him into any movie. They could mak

He works for 5 minutes because he is never hired again because they have rights to his likeness and can just drop an animated him into any movie. They could make him the main actor in a block buster and he gets $0.

ars 3y ago
Yes, that's an option, but if you don't want that don't agree to such a job.
- kadoban 3y ago
  Great advice. Hard to take when you're broke and trying to make rent though. So they should have basic, agreed standards of what appropriate agreements look like, negotiated as a group.
  - ars 3y ago
    > Hard to take when you're broke and trying to make rent though. Are you upset they aren't making as much money as they possibly can, rather than what is available? Chasing the ultimate amount of money isn't a practical strategy. > So they should have basic, agreed standards of what appropriate agreements look like, negotiated as a group. That certainly makes it faster - you don't need to negotiate individually, instead "take it or leave it", and hopefully it's a good deal for both. But it's not like such an agreement is required, if someone wants to negotiate something else, nothing is stopping them. And you can be sure that some indie company will decide to leapfrog the studios and do exactly that with non union models.
    - kadoban 3y ago
      > Are you upset they aren't making as much money as they possibly can, rather than what is available? I'm not particularly upset at the moment about anything. I disagree that one should have to choose between eating today and having a chance at a real career though. > That certainly makes it faster - you don't need to negotiate individually, instead "take it or leave it", and hopefully it's a good deal for both. That's not what I'm suggesting. The absolute basics that ensure human decency should not need to be negotiated every time though. Use those at the starting point, and people can negotiate individually from there. > And you can be sure that some indie company will decide to leapfrog the studios and do exactly that with non union models. Why haven't they done it yet? Every one of my favorite shows and movies that I can think of are using union actors and writers.

ars 3y ago

Yes, that's an option, but if you don't want that don't agree to such a job.

kadoban 3y ago
Great advice. Hard to take when you're broke and trying to make rent though. So they should have basic, agreed standards of what appropriate agreements look like, negotiated as a group.
- ars 3y ago
  > Hard to take when you're broke and trying to make rent though. Are you upset they aren't making as much money as they possibly can, rather than what is available? Chasing the ultimate amount of money isn't a practical strategy. > So they should have basic, agreed standards of what appropriate agreements look like, negotiated as a group. That certainly makes it faster - you don't need to negotiate individually, instead "take it or leave it", and hopefully it's a good deal for both. But it's not like such an agreement is required, if someone wants to negotiate something else, nothing is stopping them. And you can be sure that some indie company will decide to leapfrog the studios and do exactly that with non union models.
  - kadoban 3y ago
    > Are you upset they aren't making as much money as they possibly can, rather than what is available? I'm not particularly upset at the moment about anything. I disagree that one should have to choose between eating today and having a chance at a real career though. > That certainly makes it faster - you don't need to negotiate individually, instead "take it or leave it", and hopefully it's a good deal for both. That's not what I'm suggesting. The absolute basics that ensure human decency should not need to be negotiated every time though. Use those at the starting point, and people can negotiate individually from there. > And you can be sure that some indie company will decide to leapfrog the studios and do exactly that with non union models. Why haven't they done it yet? Every one of my favorite shows and movies that I can think of are using union actors and writers.