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Science is not advancing much now! What is it produced in the past decade?? Past 30 years?? I've been on this earth for many decades and (other than the inter

Science is not advancing much now! What is it produced in the past decade?? Past 30 years?? I've been on this earth for many decades and (other than the internet developed by the military)...the TRILLIONS of tax dollars that have gone into science have yielded nothing to minimal application to my life. I completely understand your idealistic version of blue sky science needing disinterested non-results-based funding.... but that just turns to corruption and using our tax dollars wastefully with no results with the perpetual excuse of: "it's blue sky research I don't have to prove anything to you just give me more money" and I've worked in labs and universities and I can 100% tell you scientific corruption with tax dollars is more the rule than the exception.

ivan_gammel 3y ago
If you missed the progress of the last 30 years, it shows only how much are you uninterested in this topic. There happened A LOT practically in every field. Several major mathematical problems were solved, big progress in theoretical and applied physics, astronomy, biology, medicine etc etc. All modern electronics, electric cars, medical treatments are based on recent research. AI, solar energy, green tech… shall I continue or you just subscribe to phys.org? The problems with corruption are direct consequence of applying capitalist model with the wrong incentives. It is pretty dumb for modern scientists to value published papers over verified results and to pursue medieval titles.
- nerdchum 3y ago
  > modern electronics, electric cars, medical treatments are based on recent research. AI, solar energy, green tech Every single thing you mentioned is a result of private industry. I've read phys.org....cold fusion has been righttttt around the corner for a century now according to them. So has all of the promising miraculous cancer cures that never materialize. Even if some research comes from academia, I bet you that private industry would make the same breakthroughs and for far far far less money.
  - cycomanic 3y ago
    So you are just demonstrating your ignorance. All of these are based on years of government funded research, private funding really only got involved once things looked promising.
    - nerdchum 3y ago
      electric cars: invented by private industry, refined by private industry lithium ion batteries: invented at Exxon and Asahi Kasai corp AI: refined at IBM culminating in deep blue, refined by Google with BERT, recently refined by Open AI solar panel: invented by bell labs private industry modern electronics, medical technology, and green tech?? all so vague, but probably all invented by private industry. It's actually the reverse with you showing your ignorance.
      - ivan_gammel 3y ago
        Solar panels were invented even before Alexander Bell was born, by Edmond Becquerel. His work was funded by France. Lithium ion batteries of Whittingham were based on decades of research in academia, including his own work at Standford and work of other scientists in many other institutions. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_lithium-ion_battery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_lithium-ion_bat... how many research institutions are mentioned in the article. Profit-oriented research rarely produces interesting fundamental results.
        nerdchum 3y ago
        Electricity, radio waves, flight, antibiotics.. it seems to me that private industry and individuals produce the MOST interesting fundamental results. It might be good to check your confidence in your knowledge. > His work was funded by France. Citation needed. Everything I've read he was a private citizen experimenting in his father's laboratory and not part of any academic institution or receiving any government funding.
        3y ago
roywiggins 3y ago
> What is it produced in the past decade?? Past 30 years?? MRNA vaccines?
- nerdchum 3y ago
  Thats an entirely different discussion as to whether those are legitimate or not.
  - renegade-otter 3y ago
    Aaaand there we have it.
  - cycomanic 3y ago
    And now you have completely disqualified yourself.
    - nerdchum 3y ago
      just to people who thought masks were a good idea but when the waiter brings the breadsticks it's okay to remove the mask to eat at a crowded public restaurant for some reason
dekhn 3y ago
What is produced in the past 30 years? Lots of stuff. For example the LIGO project produced sufficient evidence to conclude that gravity waves exist and we can measure them, as well as identifying sources of such waves. No real application is anticipated- but it's damned nice to know that the prediction was borne out by reality. CRISPR- an extraordinary tool for genetic manipulation. Could potentially have a huge impact in medical treatments; has already revolutionized experimental research. AlphaFold demonstrated that protein structure prediction with experimental-level accuracy is possible. This could also have huge implications in medical research and treatments. Probably, we don't see advancements occurring in real time because we learn about things that happened over decades or centuries, but collapse them to short intervals.

ivan_gammel 3y ago

If you missed the progress of the last 30 years, it shows only how much are you uninterested in this topic. There happened A LOT practically in every field. Several major mathematical problems were solved, big progress in theoretical and applied physics, astronomy, biology, medicine etc etc. All modern electronics, electric cars, medical treatments are based on recent research. AI, solar energy, green tech… shall I continue or you just subscribe to phys.org? The problems with corruption are direct consequence of applying capitalist model with the wrong incentives. It is pretty dumb for modern scientists to value published papers over verified results and to pursue medieval titles.

nerdchum 3y ago
> modern electronics, electric cars, medical treatments are based on recent research. AI, solar energy, green tech Every single thing you mentioned is a result of private industry. I've read phys.org....cold fusion has been righttttt around the corner for a century now according to them. So has all of the promising miraculous cancer cures that never materialize. Even if some research comes from academia, I bet you that private industry would make the same breakthroughs and for far far far less money.
- cycomanic 3y ago
  So you are just demonstrating your ignorance. All of these are based on years of government funded research, private funding really only got involved once things looked promising.
  - nerdchum 3y ago
    electric cars: invented by private industry, refined by private industry lithium ion batteries: invented at Exxon and Asahi Kasai corp AI: refined at IBM culminating in deep blue, refined by Google with BERT, recently refined by Open AI solar panel: invented by bell labs private industry modern electronics, medical technology, and green tech?? all so vague, but probably all invented by private industry. It's actually the reverse with you showing your ignorance.
    - ivan_gammel 3y ago
      Solar panels were invented even before Alexander Bell was born, by Edmond Becquerel. His work was funded by France. Lithium ion batteries of Whittingham were based on decades of research in academia, including his own work at Standford and work of other scientists in many other institutions. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_lithium-ion_battery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_lithium-ion_bat... how many research institutions are mentioned in the article. Profit-oriented research rarely produces interesting fundamental results.
      - nerdchum 3y ago
        Electricity, radio waves, flight, antibiotics.. it seems to me that private industry and individuals produce the MOST interesting fundamental results. It might be good to check your confidence in your knowledge. > His work was funded by France. Citation needed. Everything I've read he was a private citizen experimenting in his father's laboratory and not part of any academic institution or receiving any government funding.
        3y ago

roywiggins 3y ago

> What is it produced in the past decade?? Past 30 years?? MRNA vaccines?

nerdchum 3y ago
Thats an entirely different discussion as to whether those are legitimate or not.
- renegade-otter 3y ago
  Aaaand there we have it.
- cycomanic 3y ago
  And now you have completely disqualified yourself.
  - nerdchum 3y ago
    just to people who thought masks were a good idea but when the waiter brings the breadsticks it's okay to remove the mask to eat at a crowded public restaurant for some reason

dekhn 3y ago

What is produced in the past 30 years? Lots of stuff. For example the LIGO project produced sufficient evidence to conclude that gravity waves exist and we can measure them, as well as identifying sources of such waves. No real application is anticipated- but it's damned nice to know that the prediction was borne out by reality. CRISPR- an extraordinary tool for genetic manipulation. Could potentially have a huge impact in medical treatments; has already revolutionized experimental research. AlphaFold demonstrated that protein structure prediction with experimental-level accuracy is possible. This could also have huge implications in medical research and treatments. Probably, we don't see advancements occurring in real time because we learn about things that happened over decades or centuries, but collapse them to short intervals.