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Anonymous hacks Panda Security in response to LulzSec arrests

72 points by mck- 15y ago

olalonde 15y ago
It makes me sad to see seemingly talented and well intentioned individuals and go down such a destructive path.
- deleted 15y ago
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- kiba 15y ago
  Well, they care about the attention and spotlight. Doing good things is secondary or not in your goal at all. It's all about signaling unless you are seriously genuinely interested in improving humanity's lot, not just feeling good for doing something good. (One way to test that is to do anonymously random act of kindness without being recongnized by the public or anyone)
  - GB_001 15y ago
    Thing is, they could be doing random, unknown acts of kindness and you'd still be complaining they want the spotlght. Since they aren't publicized, you wouldn't know if they did. But yeah, this backlash is pretty childish on both ends.
- SkyMarshal 15y ago
  Yeah, imagine all the good Panda Security folks could do if they had chosen differently.
  - spoiledtechie 15y ago
    Im going to get voted down for this, but I don't mind. ZING! haha
  - stevecalifornia 15y ago
    How do you down-vote? Seriously, these 'hackers' could be contributing to the greater good of our civilization by writing tools and methodologies to make network security not so asymmetric in favor of attackers. It's really a shame that they don't see they are hurting real people and doing real damage.
    - Karunamon 15y ago
      You can't downvote until you've accumulated a certain number of karma (a few hundred, it changes now and then)
      - andrewflnr 15y ago
        I got it at 500 a couple months ago.
  - coderdude 15y ago
    You don't have to be that lazy. You know as well as any other chemically well-balanced individual that two wrongs don't make a right. I can't tell who is doing a better job of feeding the trolls, you or I.
    - SkyMarshal 15y ago
      My bad, tried to resist, but just couldn't. Won't do it again, know it degrades the conversation. However, I'm not feeling too bad about it. I'm disgusted at the US government bankrupting itself partly by enriching its revolving-door cronies in the security industrial complex [1][2], who in turn give us security theater in order to justify the government bankrupting itself partly by enriching its cronies... ad infinitum. And the casualties are our rights and civil liberties and ultimately a potential currency-centered financial crisis that could make 2007/2008 look like spilled milk. What's going on is not sustainable in any way, shape, or form, and cannot end well. If Anonymous, Wikileaks, or anyone else helps shine light on this insanity before its too late, even if they have to be a little naughty but not truly evil to do so, then more power to them. 1. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/ http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/ 2. http://projects.wsj.com/surveillance-catalog/ http://projects.wsj.com/surveillance-catalog/
Karunamon 15y ago
The borg have lost their qu- leader, so now they go rampant. sigh Anon, I love you, but I hate you sometimes.
- Indyan 15y ago
  Dupe: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3675090 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3675090 Anyways, It will be interesting to see if Anonymous can actually survive the recent Fed strike. Without some sort of a leadership, Anon will descend into chaos due to infighting. The signs are there even in this attack. Have a look at the press release. Typically, Anonymous press releases are written in hyperbolic, but grammatically correct English. This one seems to written be written by a shabby teenager.
rdl 15y ago
I wonder which specific Gibson novel we now live in.
- Jimmie 15y ago
  As apathetic as I am towards anon, lulzsec and hacktivism in general sometimes I can't help pausing and thinking "I live in a would where people are battling digitally. That's fucking cool."
  - fuzzix 15y ago
    "I live in a would where people are battling digitally" The fact that a guy actually named "Dotcom" is public enemy #1 to the old elites, prehaps we are in the midst of some 90s Neal Stephenson whimsy :)
gabaix 15y ago
On his Twitter account, CTO Luis Corrons continues taunting Anonymous after the facts. I don't understand why Panda lets one of his employee behave like this. He looks emotionally involved. He's making those hacker's efforts more visible.
- Karunamon 15y ago
  >On his Twitter account, CTO Luis Corrona continues taunting Anonymous after the facts. And when it comes to anon, taunting them is quite possibly the dumbest fucking thing you can do. They're just feeding the fire and possibly getting further attacks set up. Don't feed the troll!
  - toomuchtodo 15y ago
    When the house is burning, some are dumb enough to pour gas on it.
  - mc32 15y ago
    Next time, before they taunt, they should think about setting up a honeypot. I mean, might as well try to get something out of the deal.
- chmike 15y ago
  Too obvious! It's provocation. Soon or later Anons will make a mistake by getting out of their rabbit holes. These immediate hit back type of reactions is a weak point. In "old Europe" regions, where very old rooted cultural tradition of revenge behavior exist, a long delayed hit back has become the rule by Darwinian evolution process. Biological virus behaving like this with a long incubation delay while keeping their ability to contaminate others are the most harmful. Anon's justifying their activity with good cause motives doesn't make sense. There are many other ways to act efficiently in favor of these good causes without using dark forces. These strategies have already been proven to be very effective. Consider Martin Luther King, Gandi, Mandela. One single man managed to push empires and systems on their knees and surrender. These people didn't use their fists, weapons or bombs and certainly didn't leverage their cause by terror on harming or killing innocent people. My impression is that Anons are people who by their skills manage to take control of computers and have, by this, gained power to harm. There is a very thin and fuzzy line between getting control of things (neutral) and acting to harm and justifying it by a good cause. The feeling one may have when getting such power in our hands make it very easy to fall on the dark force side. The good cause justifications are just tactics to neutralize their own consciousness. The more people they manage to convince by it, the stronger the muzzling of their own consciousness become. If you take 5 minutes to think about it, you'll understand that there is not much difference with terrorist's rationale. The degree of harm is of course not comparable, but it is the same logical mechanism in play and which is obviously wrong in many ways. It has been proven to be a dead end for terrorists as well as for country leaders. It is just a matter of time. If someone has truly the desire to act to make this world a better place and contribute to make change what has to change, then there are many more efficient methods that don't require to use dark forces. One of the thing that makes them more efficient is just because of that, they don't use dark force.
einhverfr 15y ago
So the interesting question is what next? The feds have arrested five individuals associated with Anonymous. Anonymous struck back, albeit in a somewhat childish way, reminding me of the KFC bombing in Jakarta in response to ABB's trial (not well planned, ad hoc attack which was both visible and largely ineffective at causing real damage). Will Anonymous be able to recover, and carry out other high profile hactivism attacks? Or will they degenerate into more of what we see here? I am not trying to draw moral equivalencies here. However, it seems that when looking at social positions relative to law enforcement, that's the closest parallel that comes to my mind at least in my experience.
- syaz1 15y ago
  >Anonymous struck back, albeit in a somewhat childish way, According to the article, Anon claimed Panda Sec helped jail 25 anons. How is that childish, purely from target perspective? It's either Law Enforcers, or their affiliates.
- yaix 15y ago
  We should be careful to not mix Anonymous with other groups that use actual physical violence in order to generate fear to destroy societies. Comparing the Jakarte bombings with a simple server break-in is totally out of place.
- andybak 15y ago
  "I am not trying to draw moral equivalencies here" Well - like it or not that's how it comes across and I personally find your comparison extremely distasteful.
TheCapn 15y ago
Pastebin from the attack: http://pastebin.com/LM9vdNWy http://pastebin.com/LM9vdNWy Some interesting data on there... Si prefieres LogMeIn Free: https://secure.logmein.com/ https://secure.logmein.com/ Login: PSISuport@pandasecurity.com Contraseña: panda01 ... El login de Windows, puedes usar cualquiera de los nuestros Usuario: nombre.apellido Password: Panda12345 Secure? Not so much. As big as this might be for Anon I'm afraid they must've just guessed at passwords if that is the form of password security they used. The root passwords were more secure but I'm willing to bet that the Windows logon(s) provided above had a file somewhere (Desktop perhaps) with the passwords in plain view. PasswordSafe or the like may have been used but chances are it had a password of similar strength to those above.

72 points by mck- 15y ago

olalonde 15y ago

It makes me sad to see seemingly talented and well intentioned individuals and go down such a destructive path.

deleted 15y ago
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kiba 15y ago
Well, they care about the attention and spotlight. Doing good things is secondary or not in your goal at all. It's all about signaling unless you are seriously genuinely interested in improving humanity's lot, not just feeling good for doing something good. (One way to test that is to do anonymously random act of kindness without being recongnized by the public or anyone)
- GB_001 15y ago
  Thing is, they could be doing random, unknown acts of kindness and you'd still be complaining they want the spotlght. Since they aren't publicized, you wouldn't know if they did. But yeah, this backlash is pretty childish on both ends.
SkyMarshal 15y ago
Yeah, imagine all the good Panda Security folks could do if they had chosen differently.
- spoiledtechie 15y ago
  Im going to get voted down for this, but I don't mind. ZING! haha
- stevecalifornia 15y ago
  How do you down-vote? Seriously, these 'hackers' could be contributing to the greater good of our civilization by writing tools and methodologies to make network security not so asymmetric in favor of attackers. It's really a shame that they don't see they are hurting real people and doing real damage.
  - Karunamon 15y ago
    You can't downvote until you've accumulated a certain number of karma (a few hundred, it changes now and then)
    - andrewflnr 15y ago
      I got it at 500 a couple months ago.
- coderdude 15y ago
  You don't have to be that lazy. You know as well as any other chemically well-balanced individual that two wrongs don't make a right. I can't tell who is doing a better job of feeding the trolls, you or I.
  - SkyMarshal 15y ago
    My bad, tried to resist, but just couldn't. Won't do it again, know it degrades the conversation. However, I'm not feeling too bad about it. I'm disgusted at the US government bankrupting itself partly by enriching its revolving-door cronies in the security industrial complex [1][2], who in turn give us security theater in order to justify the government bankrupting itself partly by enriching its cronies... ad infinitum. And the casualties are our rights and civil liberties and ultimately a potential currency-centered financial crisis that could make 2007/2008 look like spilled milk. What's going on is not sustainable in any way, shape, or form, and cannot end well. If Anonymous, Wikileaks, or anyone else helps shine light on this insanity before its too late, even if they have to be a little naughty but not truly evil to do so, then more power to them. 1. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/ http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/ 2. http://projects.wsj.com/surveillance-catalog/ http://projects.wsj.com/surveillance-catalog/

Karunamon 15y ago

The borg have lost their qu- leader, so now they go rampant. sigh Anon, I love you, but I hate you sometimes.

Indyan 15y ago
Dupe: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3675090 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3675090 Anyways, It will be interesting to see if Anonymous can actually survive the recent Fed strike. Without some sort of a leadership, Anon will descend into chaos due to infighting. The signs are there even in this attack. Have a look at the press release. Typically, Anonymous press releases are written in hyperbolic, but grammatically correct English. This one seems to written be written by a shabby teenager.

rdl 15y ago

I wonder which specific Gibson novel we now live in.

Jimmie 15y ago
As apathetic as I am towards anon, lulzsec and hacktivism in general sometimes I can't help pausing and thinking "I live in a would where people are battling digitally. That's fucking cool."
- fuzzix 15y ago
  "I live in a would where people are battling digitally" The fact that a guy actually named "Dotcom" is public enemy #1 to the old elites, prehaps we are in the midst of some 90s Neal Stephenson whimsy :)

gabaix 15y ago

On his Twitter account, CTO Luis Corrons continues taunting Anonymous after the facts. I don't understand why Panda lets one of his employee behave like this. He looks emotionally involved. He's making those hacker's efforts more visible.

Karunamon 15y ago
>On his Twitter account, CTO Luis Corrona continues taunting Anonymous after the facts. And when it comes to anon, taunting them is quite possibly the dumbest fucking thing you can do. They're just feeding the fire and possibly getting further attacks set up. Don't feed the troll!
- toomuchtodo 15y ago
  When the house is burning, some are dumb enough to pour gas on it.
- mc32 15y ago
  Next time, before they taunt, they should think about setting up a honeypot. I mean, might as well try to get something out of the deal.
chmike 15y ago
Too obvious! It's provocation. Soon or later Anons will make a mistake by getting out of their rabbit holes. These immediate hit back type of reactions is a weak point. In "old Europe" regions, where very old rooted cultural tradition of revenge behavior exist, a long delayed hit back has become the rule by Darwinian evolution process. Biological virus behaving like this with a long incubation delay while keeping their ability to contaminate others are the most harmful. Anon's justifying their activity with good cause motives doesn't make sense. There are many other ways to act efficiently in favor of these good causes without using dark forces. These strategies have already been proven to be very effective. Consider Martin Luther King, Gandi, Mandela. One single man managed to push empires and systems on their knees and surrender. These people didn't use their fists, weapons or bombs and certainly didn't leverage their cause by terror on harming or killing innocent people. My impression is that Anons are people who by their skills manage to take control of computers and have, by this, gained power to harm. There is a very thin and fuzzy line between getting control of things (neutral) and acting to harm and justifying it by a good cause. The feeling one may have when getting such power in our hands make it very easy to fall on the dark force side. The good cause justifications are just tactics to neutralize their own consciousness. The more people they manage to convince by it, the stronger the muzzling of their own consciousness become. If you take 5 minutes to think about it, you'll understand that there is not much difference with terrorist's rationale. The degree of harm is of course not comparable, but it is the same logical mechanism in play and which is obviously wrong in many ways. It has been proven to be a dead end for terrorists as well as for country leaders. It is just a matter of time. If someone has truly the desire to act to make this world a better place and contribute to make change what has to change, then there are many more efficient methods that don't require to use dark forces. One of the thing that makes them more efficient is just because of that, they don't use dark force.

einhverfr 15y ago

So the interesting question is what next? The feds have arrested five individuals associated with Anonymous. Anonymous struck back, albeit in a somewhat childish way, reminding me of the KFC bombing in Jakarta in response to ABB's trial (not well planned, ad hoc attack which was both visible and largely ineffective at causing real damage). Will Anonymous be able to recover, and carry out other high profile hactivism attacks? Or will they degenerate into more of what we see here? I am not trying to draw moral equivalencies here. However, it seems that when looking at social positions relative to law enforcement, that's the closest parallel that comes to my mind at least in my experience.

syaz1 15y ago
>Anonymous struck back, albeit in a somewhat childish way, According to the article, Anon claimed Panda Sec helped jail 25 anons. How is that childish, purely from target perspective? It's either Law Enforcers, or their affiliates.
yaix 15y ago
We should be careful to not mix Anonymous with other groups that use actual physical violence in order to generate fear to destroy societies. Comparing the Jakarte bombings with a simple server break-in is totally out of place.
andybak 15y ago
"I am not trying to draw moral equivalencies here" Well - like it or not that's how it comes across and I personally find your comparison extremely distasteful.

TheCapn 15y ago

Pastebin from the attack: http://pastebin.com/LM9vdNWy http://pastebin.com/LM9vdNWy Some interesting data on there... Si prefieres LogMeIn Free: https://secure.logmein.com/ https://secure.logmein.com/ Login: PSISuport@pandasecurity.com Contraseña: panda01 ... El login de Windows, puedes usar cualquiera de los nuestros Usuario: nombre.apellido Password: Panda12345 Secure? Not so much. As big as this might be for Anon I'm afraid they must've just guessed at passwords if that is the form of password security they used. The root passwords were more secure but I'm willing to bet that the Windows logon(s) provided above had a file somewhere (Desktop perhaps) with the passwords in plain view. PasswordSafe or the like may have been used but chances are it had a password of similar strength to those above.