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Who else has been allowed to advertise on the front page of Google? None as far as I am aware of. Not even - again AFAIK - disaster relief after the biggest di

Who else has been allowed to advertise on the front page of Google? None as far as I am aware of. Not even - again AFAIK - disaster relief after the biggest disasters we have seen after Google was founded. I'd argue that is quite clearly the same league as Microsoft pre-installing Media Player and Internet Explorer: taking advantage of a niche that they completely dominates and abusing it to wedge their way into another ecosystem and then completely dominating that too.

formerly_proven 3y ago
When you try to change the default browser on Windows (a setting ignored by some Microsoft apps, which will always use Edge btw.), you can't just change it, you get a pop-up going like: You SURE you wanna do that? Edge is better you know. And more secure. And shit. [ BIG BLUE CONTINUE WITH EDGE BUTTON ] Arial, 6pt grey on white, "Use my choice" link Edit: You also can't move or remove the Edge symbol from your desktop without admin privileges. So for a normal, unprivileged user there's just two things you can't remove from your desktop, recycle bin and Edge.
- flangola7 3y ago
  What does that have to do with Chrome?
  - n6h6 3y ago
    Nothing, but it has to do with Microsoft, which the comment they were replying to talks about in its latter half.
manuelabeledo 3y ago
Are you complaining about Google advertising its own products on their own websites?
- jowea 3y ago
  If Microsoft could get in trouble for bundling its own product (IE) on its own OS (Windows) then IMHO this can in fact be seen as abusing monopolistic market power in the search market to benefit in the browser market.
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    How is that even in the same category? Google does not force you to install Chrome in order to use Search.
    - jowea 3y ago
      Both cases they're abusing market power in one category to compete unfairly in another market. Apparently this is called "monopolistic leveraging" and is a somewhat unsettled area of law in the US. [0][1] Here's another example. Amazon using its market power as an online marketplace to benefit in both the logistics market and its own-label goods market. [2] By not allowing anyone else to advertise on its front page, it could also be said that Google is practising "Refusal to deal", which is also forbidden, although I admit that case is somewhat weaker. [3] > Google does not force you to install Chrome in order to use Search. I believe that just means they aren't practising tying, which is yet another abuse of monopoly power. [0] https://repository.law.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1062&context=umblr https://repository.law.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article... [1] https://scholarship.law.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1304&context=lawreview https://scholarship.law.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1304... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54887650 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54887650 [3] https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/refusal-deal https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui...
      - manuelabeledo 3y ago
        > Here's another example. Amazon using its market power as an online marketplace to benefit in both the logistics market and its own-label goods market. [2] This is vastly different from advertising a product in the company website. Amazon got caught peeking into their own partners data, then leveraging that knowledge to unfairly compete with them. > By not allowing anyone else to advertise on its front page, it could also be said that Google is practising "Refusal to deal", which is also forbidden, although I admit that case is somewhat weaker. [3] Again, not the same. "Refusal to deal" means that Google would prohibit Microsoft from advertising Edge, their Chrome competitor, in their ad network, which is not happening. But it's worth noting that Microsoft does the same with Bing and Edge, displaying a modal if you are using any other browser. They also got caught displaying large banners in the Chrome download page, which I personally think is even worse [0] [0] https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-now-injecting-full-size-ads-on-chrome-website-to-make-you-stay-on-edge/ https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-now-injecting-full-...
gerash 3y ago
Do you think one should be able to advertise Macbook on microsoft.com page or a Pixel phone on apple.com ? how about a giant banner when you enter a Walmart store that reads "Just buy it on Amazon" ?
- eitland 3y ago
  If you had to pass through Wall Mart drive through multiple times a day, would it be ok if they hassled you if you used anything but Walmart cars? Is it OK when Microsoft force install Teams across every installed machine? You have to realize google.com isn't just the corporate website of Google, it is their main product.
somsak2 3y ago
Google+
- eitland 3y ago
  Seriously? Before any search was entered? I'll take your word for it. Also it would just be another example that Google tried to enter social media as well using this tactic.
  - somsak2 3y ago
    https://www.businessinsider.com/google-is-running-a-massive-ad-for-google-on-its-home-page-2011-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/google-is-running-a-massive-...

formerly_proven 3y ago

When you try to change the default browser on Windows (a setting ignored by some Microsoft apps, which will always use Edge btw.), you can't just change it, you get a pop-up going like: You SURE you wanna do that? Edge is better you know. And more secure. And shit. [ BIG BLUE CONTINUE WITH EDGE BUTTON ] Arial, 6pt grey on white, "Use my choice" link Edit: You also can't move or remove the Edge symbol from your desktop without admin privileges. So for a normal, unprivileged user there's just two things you can't remove from your desktop, recycle bin and Edge.

flangola7 3y ago
What does that have to do with Chrome?
- n6h6 3y ago
  Nothing, but it has to do with Microsoft, which the comment they were replying to talks about in its latter half.

manuelabeledo 3y ago

Are you complaining about Google advertising its own products on their own websites?

jowea 3y ago
If Microsoft could get in trouble for bundling its own product (IE) on its own OS (Windows) then IMHO this can in fact be seen as abusing monopolistic market power in the search market to benefit in the browser market.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  How is that even in the same category? Google does not force you to install Chrome in order to use Search.
  - jowea 3y ago
    Both cases they're abusing market power in one category to compete unfairly in another market. Apparently this is called "monopolistic leveraging" and is a somewhat unsettled area of law in the US. [0][1] Here's another example. Amazon using its market power as an online marketplace to benefit in both the logistics market and its own-label goods market. [2] By not allowing anyone else to advertise on its front page, it could also be said that Google is practising "Refusal to deal", which is also forbidden, although I admit that case is somewhat weaker. [3] > Google does not force you to install Chrome in order to use Search. I believe that just means they aren't practising tying, which is yet another abuse of monopoly power. [0] https://repository.law.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1062&context=umblr https://repository.law.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article... [1] https://scholarship.law.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1304&context=lawreview https://scholarship.law.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1304... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54887650 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54887650 [3] https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/refusal-deal https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui...
    - manuelabeledo 3y ago
      > Here's another example. Amazon using its market power as an online marketplace to benefit in both the logistics market and its own-label goods market. [2] This is vastly different from advertising a product in the company website. Amazon got caught peeking into their own partners data, then leveraging that knowledge to unfairly compete with them. > By not allowing anyone else to advertise on its front page, it could also be said that Google is practising "Refusal to deal", which is also forbidden, although I admit that case is somewhat weaker. [3] Again, not the same. "Refusal to deal" means that Google would prohibit Microsoft from advertising Edge, their Chrome competitor, in their ad network, which is not happening. But it's worth noting that Microsoft does the same with Bing and Edge, displaying a modal if you are using any other browser. They also got caught displaying large banners in the Chrome download page, which I personally think is even worse [0] [0] https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-now-injecting-full-size-ads-on-chrome-website-to-make-you-stay-on-edge/ https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-now-injecting-full-...

gerash 3y ago

Do you think one should be able to advertise Macbook on microsoft.com page or a Pixel phone on apple.com ? how about a giant banner when you enter a Walmart store that reads "Just buy it on Amazon" ?

eitland 3y ago
If you had to pass through Wall Mart drive through multiple times a day, would it be ok if they hassled you if you used anything but Walmart cars? Is it OK when Microsoft force install Teams across every installed machine? You have to realize google.com isn't just the corporate website of Google, it is their main product.

somsak2 3y ago

Google+

eitland 3y ago
Seriously? Before any search was entered? I'll take your word for it. Also it would just be another example that Google tried to enter social media as well using this tactic.
- somsak2 3y ago
  https://www.businessinsider.com/google-is-running-a-massive-ad-for-google-on-its-home-page-2011-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/google-is-running-a-massive-...