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I see why they or others do this. But it’s a prime example of Goodhart‘s law. The incentives misalign with the overarching goals. It reminds me of the (very fu
by dgb23 3y ago
I see why they or others do this. But it’s a prime example of Goodhart‘s law. The incentives misalign with the overarching goals.
It reminds me of the (very fun) book Bullshit Jobs by the late David Graeber. He categorized one of the types of jobs as „flunkies“. Their purpose is to make upper management appear more powerful and professional.
Hierarchical power structures often have a political minigame that can easily overshadow their organizational and meritocratic purpose.
- harry8 3y ago>meritocratic purpose
- dgb23 3y agoEnglish is not my first language, when I wrote this I was suspicious too. What I wanted so say is that, these structures want to promote people upwards based on expertise, effort, popularity etc. So the structure is in part based on meritocracy - in theory. My personal belief is that any hierarchical social structure is arbitrary and exploitable to a degree. We seem to be very good at creating personal and financial incentives without coupling them with the appropriate level of accountability.
- harry8 3y agoSorry, in no way criticising your english. Was meant to be a cynical comment on the number people one sees simply failing upwards. Success has many parents, failure is an orphan. Merit at playing political games, backstabbing, lying, appearing plausible and convincing, looking like the kind of person expected at that time. Talent, ability, hard work, placing the common goal first? Vastly less important. Aligning self-interest with a common goal is very much an unsolved problem. Being slightly less bad is amazing. One of the most powerful facets of the visionary founder ceo owner despite most being such epic idiots is they aren't professional managers looking to cut themselves into inter-generational levels of wealth from their employer, whether they have MBAs from Harvard like G.W.Bush or not. Structure based on on meritocracy is indeed, as you say, theory. Or justification. Or rationalisation.
- quickthrower2 3y agoA bird told be that Twitter used to promote based on creating a popular internal library. Which is why they got an internal NGINX rewrite.
- formerly_proven 3y agoOh that's why bootstrap was made?
- nannal 3y agoHow could a library become popular if the incentive is to create your own library to have an additional lottery ticket in the promotion game?
- ZephyrBlu 3y agoBecause it's forced upon other teams.
- dgb23 3y agoOn one hand this is hilarious. But on the other hand it's a way better system than the one above, because the side effect has a positive portion to it.
- coldtea 3y agoI think we need to account for "bullshit products" too. Facebook and Instagram for example are such bullshit products, no real value, detrimental to society and mental health, and proped up by the worst attributes of human nature (narcissism, jealoushy, exhibitionism, and so on).
- dgb23 3y agoI agree with the criticism except that I believe that these products provide some core utility to us. One of our dogs was posted for adoption on FB for example. Although plain old websites + RSS are my preferred method.
- somsak2 3y agohow do you define "real value" for products? i guess it must not have anything to do with profit in your world?
- coldtea 3y agoNo, it doesn't. It has to do with making the world better. Meth also makes for great profits.
- infamouscow 3y agoThey ought to be viewed no different than tobacco companies.
- ardit33 3y agoWith that mentality, If you think hard, almost everything we do apart from food and shelter can be considered 'superflous'. -- Watching movies? Waste of time -- Playing Video Games - Rotting your brain -- Watching sports for fun - wasting your money / promoting violence -- Traveling for fun - you are destroying the environment -- Any entertainment shows - promoting bad habits etc.. etc.. You can extrapolate 'what I don't like, must be bad for humanity' to almost every product of leisure activity out there. At some point, for some, unless you are living like an Amish or in some kind of 'Puritan' way, everything else you are doing is bad and you are a bad person, and that platform that enables it (Radio, TV, Online Apps, Arbnb, Uber) must be bad and needs to be abolished.