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Silicon Valley money men are buzzing about Robert F. Kennedy Jr

22 points by archo 3y ago

archo 3y ago
https://archive.is/U5P7g https://archive.is/U5P7g
65a 3y ago
A candidate unredeemable except as a pass-around-rube for billionaires and hostile nations, cool.
sharts 3y ago
The he's clearly the wrong candidate for the everyday men.
lowkey 3y ago
After hearing the man in his own words, instead of listening to what the media tells us to think, I am convinced that Robert F. Kennedy Jr is the most authentic candidate to run in recent history. His strong stance against the endless interventionist wars. His incredible track record of accomplishments for the environment and his plans to reform the corruption and revolving doors between our federal institutions such as the FDA and Big Pharma have created powerful enemies amongst the richest corporate elites. Unlike other politicians who only regurgitate talking points fed to them by mega-donors, he has opened the Overton window and finally made it possible for us to openly discuss many of the root causes behind our country's deepest problems.
- lowkey 3y ago
  I'm not going to comment on the downvotes as that would be boring. Instead, I would like to ask for feedback on my comment above. What specifically do people disagree with?
  - idontwantthis 3y ago
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        lowkey 3y ago
        I'm sorry, are you now accusing ME of being anti-semetic? That's rich.
        idontwantthis 3y ago
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        noptd 3y ago
        This is low even by Reddit standards. Please keep to the HN guidelines and stop reposting that article and claim which has been debunked multiple times in this comment section - it contributes nothing to the conversation.
        Dig1t 3y ago
        It's clear you're arguing in bad faith here, just keep using the word antisemite, racist, bigot, etc and the people you disagree with won't be allowed to speak anymore. These words are losing their meaning. Instead of calling the person names, which I'm pretty sure is against the rules on this site, why not just respond to what GP said? They posted a reasonable response with sources.
        phito 3y ago
        Please keep these unproductive inflammatory comments on Reddit, they have no place here.
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- wutho 3y ago
  You should apply for his campaign. We hear this every election cycle. You know what’s changed history? Public non-compliance. That’s it; the only effort that’s ever output a rethought social contract. Any President will be hamstrung by helicopter parents in Congress and in SCOTUS who of course no what’s best for their stock portfol… public freedom of agency. Joe Manchin was carrying on about preserving American heritage; these dudes all collide out of view to ask their handlers what sound bites play best. The whole thing is a behavioral economics scheme. Make all the elite landlords walk the plank or feel there’s a serious risk of that about to happen and only then will things change from top to bottom. I’m cool with an obligation to “United States.” Not to any specific elites and politicians.
JimtheCoder 3y ago
This probably makes me sound really bad, but does someone with the speech issues he has really stand a chance at the presidency? I know his health isn't under his control, and it isn't cool to judge someone because of it...but, as humans, we do, and for someone whose job is to clearly communicate his ideas and inspire with words...he seems to fall short here.
- lowkey 3y ago
  He is currently polling at 20% amongst democrats and has a higher favorability rating than either Biden or Trump in some polls. All this while facing an unrelenting smear campaign by powerful media interests. Despite his voice issues, his message seems to be resonating amongst Democrats, Independents and even Republicans. He is the only candidate who seems to be gaining support across the political spectrum. I think his message of peace and diplomacy over endless interventionist wars and healing the divide are gaining traction. Let's just hope the powers that be don't decide to give him lead poisoning like they did his uncle and his father.
  - marlor 3y ago
    I was waiting for a conspiracy theory to be woven in there, and you didn’t disappoint.
    - lowkey 3y ago
      Please share, what is the conspiracy theory you reference? Did you know the term "conspiracy theory" was literally invented by the CIA to smear anyone who dared to question the official narrative about the JFK assassination? There is ample evidence in recently released documents on the JFK assassination that Lee Harvey Oswald was working with the CIA before the assassination. [1][2] Does anyone honestly believe that Oswald acted alone? Do you still believe that we invaded Iraq because they had WMD? [1] https://theintercept.com/2022/12/19/lee-harvey-oswald-cia-lsd-jfk/ https://theintercept.com/2022/12/19/lee-harvey-oswald-cia-ls... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/16/us/politics/biden-jfk-assassination-papers.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/16/us/politics/biden-jfk-ass...
jauntywundrkind 3y ago
I liked Krugman using RFK as a reflecting glass from which we could observe & understand the rich. The Rich are Crazier than You And Me: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/06/opinion/robert-kennedy-jr-silicon-valley.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/06/opinion/robert-kennedy-jr... Krugman's emphasis on reflexive contrarianism in this writeup is a powerful illumination of an incredibly potent, present, & chaotic energy of our times. Krugman spends more time talking about Tech Bro ideology than RFK, but I think it's pretty great & tells a real story about a sizable chunk of the world (by dollar value at least). For a much long writeup with much more RFK in it & with less laser targeted West Coast ideology focus, Michelle Goldberg's RFK and the Coalition of the Distrustful is another smash hit. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/30/opinion/robert-f-kennedy-jr-coalition-supporters.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/30/opinion/robert-f-kennedy-...
- lowkey 3y ago
  Krugman's analytical and predictive record leave much to be desired. I've yet to find a single prediction he made that was accurate in hindsight. I do however, recall this brilliant prediction, among many others: "The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in ‘Metcalfe’s law’—which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants—becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s."
Dig1t 3y ago
I listened to him on Lex and Joe Rogan podcasts. I went from from one end of the spectrum on him to the other in the span of one episode. I started expecting him to be a total crackpot and was surprised at how sensible his ideas were and how clearly he articulated them. I would totally vote for this guy, seems way better than Biden or Trump. I recommend just listening to him with an open mind, seems pretty nice.
- gloryjulio 3y ago
  This guy? Are you sure? https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/07/rfk-jr-covid-ethnically-targeted https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/07/rfk-jr-covid-ethnica...
  - Dig1t 3y ago
    I read his response, seemed pretty reasonable to me. https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1680227322509635595 https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/16802273225096355... >I have never, ever suggested that the COVID-19 virus was targeted to spare Jews. I accurately pointed out — during an off-the-record conversation — that the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons and that a 2021 study of the COVID-19 virus shows that COVID-19 appears to disproportionately affect certain races since the furin cleave docking site is most compatible with Blacks and Caucasians and least compatible with ethnic Chinese, Finns, and Ashkenazi Jews.
    - zimpenfish 3y ago
      C'mon, that's disingenuous bullshit. > I have never, ever suggested that the COVID-19 virus was targeted to spare Jews. You can't say (and these are his own words from the video) "COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese." and then claim the second sentence has no link to the first.
      - lowkey 3y ago
        On the video [0] you can clearly hear him say that he knows a lot about bioweapons because he has been writing a book on the subject for the past 2.5 years. I will assume good faith on your part and therefore infer that you missed the line at 0:30 seconds into the video, immediately before your quote begins where he says "There is an argument that .." There is a huge difference between saying "He claims ..." and saying "He claims there is an argument that ..." It also appears you missed the rest of what he said after you ended your quote, specifically, "We don't know if it was deliberately targeted or not but there are papers out there that show the racial and ethnic differential - and the impact of that. We do know that the Chinese are investing hundreds of millions of dollars to develop bioweapons and that we are investing hundreds of millions of dollars developing bioweapons. That's what all those labs in the Ukraine are about. They are collecting Russian DNA. They are collecting Chinese DNA so we can target people by race." The full quote is therefore, (adding the missing context in italics) "There is an argument that COVID-19 is ethnically targeted. It attacks certain races disproportionately. The races that are most immune to COVID-19 are, because of the genetic differentials among different races of the receptors - of the ACE-2 receptor, COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese - but we don't know if it was deliberately targeted or not but there are papers out there that show the racial and ethnic differential - and the impact of that. We do know that the Chinese are investing hundreds of millions of dollars to develop bioweapons and that we are investing hundreds of millions of dollars developing bioweapons. That's what all those labs in the Ukraine are about. They are collecting Russian DNA. They are collecting Chinese DNA so we can target people by race. " Reading the full quote in context, it is clear he is citing this study [1] which backs up his claims about the differential impact of COVID-19 by race. He also makes it clear in the full quote that "we don't know if it was done intentionally or not" He was clearly mis-quoted out of context in the article. Reading the full quote in context, it is not at all the damning statement you believe it to be. [0] https://twitter.com/ANTlWEF/status/1680476815993741312?s=20 https://twitter.com/ANTlWEF/status/1680476815993741312?s=20 [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32664879/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32664879/
nubinetwork 3y ago
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- Dig1t 3y ago
  That's the wrong link, this is not a dupe.
  - nubinetwork 3y ago
    Thanks, corrected
midoridensha 3y ago
If this nutjob gets the DNC nomination, Trump is going to look like the better choice, even if he has to carry out his term in a prison cell. America is really going off the deep end.
- lowkey 3y ago
  What makes you think he is a "nut job"? And how do you justify making baseless ad-hominem attacks instead of coherent arguments against his proposed policies or positions. Isn't that kind of smear better suited to Reddit? It is certainly against the Guidelines of this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > What makes you think he is a "nut job"? And how do you justify making baseless ad-hominem attacks instead of coherent arguments against his proposed policies or positions. Isn't that kind of smear better suited to Reddit? It is certainly against the Guidelines of this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html He thinks wifi causes cancer and leaky brains. He doesn't think AIDs is caused by HIV .
    - lowkey 3y ago
      Unlike other controversial topics he has espoused an opinion on, I personally haven’t researched either of those topics so I can be honest with myself and say that I don’t have an informed opinion on either. I can say on other topics he discusses where I am well informed, his positions have always turned out to be well researched, genuine, and logically articulated. This is true even on topics where I disagree with his positions. While we may disagree, I can understand why he may hold his differing views and they alway seem genuine, logical and well reasoned. Unlike many other politicians, he doesn’t make policy decisions based on opinion polls or by parroting the talking points of wealthy donors. His views are genuinely his own, come from a good place and are always well thought out. That is why I am willing to give this man the benefit of the doubt and actively listen to his point of view in his own words - even when what he says doesn’t fit my current worldview. I often learn something new about the issue by listening to him with an open mind. I like that in a candidate and a leader. While I haven’t yet read his book about AIDS and HIV, I do have it on my shelf and fully intend to read it. The book is a best seller, despite getting virtually zero press coverage or reviews from the mainstream media. Also, the book in question, “The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health” literally calls out Fauci - a notable figure, Bill Gates - a billionaire also a notable figure, and Big Pharma - a notoriously well-funded and litigious group, all in the title. I understand the book makes numerous seemingly outrageous and disparaging claims against all these people and groups. I find it particularly notable that he has never been sued for slander over any of the claims in his book by any of them. Why do you think that is? Could it be that the reason for this is that one can only sue for slander in the US if the claims can be proven to be false? Perhaps none of these parties want to take the chance of suing and losing to Kennedy due to the negative attention they would receive if their lawsuits failed for lack of evidence to support a slander suit? It certainly isn’t due to a lack of access to lawyers. In the case of Gates and Big Pharma I would wager they would love to sue him even if it cost them millions just to bankrupt the man in years of litigation. The fact that they haven’t lends me to believe they have absolutely no case because all his claims are well-researched and easily verifiable as true - and so they are unwilling to take him on even if they do outgun him monetarily by 1000 to 1 or more. Because of these reasons, I am willing to be open-minded in the case of seemingly outlandish claims made by a person who has repeatedly demonstrated exceptional courage, integrity and intelligence. No other candidate meets that high bar which is why, as unlikely as it may appear, I am also unwilling to rule out the possibility of Robert F. Kennedy becoming America’s next and best president. You may call me a dreamer, but I’m not the only one. I hope someday that RFK Jr sits in the Oval Office - and the world will be as one. #HealTheDivide
webmobdev 3y ago
I have spoken here today about India's race with Red China. We want India to win that race. We want India to be a free and thriving leader of a free and thriving Asia. But if our interest appears to be purely selfish, anti-Communist and part of the Cold War – if it appears to the Indian people that our motives are purely political – then we shall play into the hands of Communist and neutralist propagandists, cruelly distort America's image abroad, and undo much of the psychological effect that we expect from our generosity. - JFK John F Kennedy made those remarks and I find it remarkably prophetic because after his death, India - US relationship faltered precisely because we indians felt that later US politicians only viewed India through the "purely political" lens of cold war. The impact of it can still be felt today where many Indians feel that US is only seeking a selfish need-based based partnership with India to counter China and not out of any genuine respect which is the basis for any strong relationship. For a foreigner like me, Robert F Kennedy's political ideas does seem like a breath of fresh air among the current crop of stale US politicians and their stunted political values. He seems to be the only one who recognizes that the US needs to fix its fractured polity and reach some semblance of political understanding with the opposition (unlike others who think it is "unfixable") and end the "us" vs "them" narration that both major party's now increasingly depend on. His subscription to JFK's political vision and values and his pragmatic pacifist-leaning ideas are obviously welcome in a world increasingly divided. As JFK noted: The Free World cannot shame Russia and China into freedom – but it can inspire democracy to enrich its own freedoms. Freedom's banner will be vindicated or lost not by the test of military strength alone – but by the purity and passion of our commitment to democracy, by our dedication to the advancing hopes of new nations, and by our determination to prove that freedom can lift the haggard burden of poverty from desolate lands. We have not yet conquered the frontiers of fear. But neither have we yet fully explored the horizons of hope. - JFK If RFK is genuine about the political values he espouses, I sincerely feel that India and US (under Robert F Kennedy as President) can become true ideological allies. (JFK source - https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/india-and-the-us-conference-washington-dc-19590504 https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-k... ).
dang 3y ago
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asadotzler 3y ago
"the rich SV people I so desperately admire are excited about RFKJr so I will be too" is exactly the hackernews take I expected and got, especially from that lowkey bootlicker.
- lowkey 3y ago
  To be fair, I went down the RFK Jr rabbit hole before he went on the All-in podcast - so thought leader? It’s no secret I am a huge fan of him, not so much the rich VC schmucks tho.

22 points by archo 3y ago

archo 3y ago

https://archive.is/U5P7g https://archive.is/U5P7g

65a 3y ago

A candidate unredeemable except as a pass-around-rube for billionaires and hostile nations, cool.

sharts 3y ago

The he's clearly the wrong candidate for the everyday men.

lowkey 3y ago

After hearing the man in his own words, instead of listening to what the media tells us to think, I am convinced that Robert F. Kennedy Jr is the most authentic candidate to run in recent history. His strong stance against the endless interventionist wars. His incredible track record of accomplishments for the environment and his plans to reform the corruption and revolving doors between our federal institutions such as the FDA and Big Pharma have created powerful enemies amongst the richest corporate elites. Unlike other politicians who only regurgitate talking points fed to them by mega-donors, he has opened the Overton window and finally made it possible for us to openly discuss many of the root causes behind our country's deepest problems.

lowkey 3y ago
I'm not going to comment on the downvotes as that would be boring. Instead, I would like to ask for feedback on my comment above. What specifically do people disagree with?
- idontwantthis 3y ago
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      - lowkey 3y ago
        I'm sorry, are you now accusing ME of being anti-semetic? That's rich.
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        noptd 3y ago
        This is low even by Reddit standards. Please keep to the HN guidelines and stop reposting that article and claim which has been debunked multiple times in this comment section - it contributes nothing to the conversation.
      - Dig1t 3y ago
        It's clear you're arguing in bad faith here, just keep using the word antisemite, racist, bigot, etc and the people you disagree with won't be allowed to speak anymore. These words are losing their meaning. Instead of calling the person names, which I'm pretty sure is against the rules on this site, why not just respond to what GP said? They posted a reasonable response with sources.
      - phito 3y ago
        Please keep these unproductive inflammatory comments on Reddit, they have no place here.
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wutho 3y ago
You should apply for his campaign. We hear this every election cycle. You know what’s changed history? Public non-compliance. That’s it; the only effort that’s ever output a rethought social contract. Any President will be hamstrung by helicopter parents in Congress and in SCOTUS who of course no what’s best for their stock portfol… public freedom of agency. Joe Manchin was carrying on about preserving American heritage; these dudes all collide out of view to ask their handlers what sound bites play best. The whole thing is a behavioral economics scheme. Make all the elite landlords walk the plank or feel there’s a serious risk of that about to happen and only then will things change from top to bottom. I’m cool with an obligation to “United States.” Not to any specific elites and politicians.

JimtheCoder 3y ago

This probably makes me sound really bad, but does someone with the speech issues he has really stand a chance at the presidency? I know his health isn't under his control, and it isn't cool to judge someone because of it...but, as humans, we do, and for someone whose job is to clearly communicate his ideas and inspire with words...he seems to fall short here.

lowkey 3y ago
He is currently polling at 20% amongst democrats and has a higher favorability rating than either Biden or Trump in some polls. All this while facing an unrelenting smear campaign by powerful media interests. Despite his voice issues, his message seems to be resonating amongst Democrats, Independents and even Republicans. He is the only candidate who seems to be gaining support across the political spectrum. I think his message of peace and diplomacy over endless interventionist wars and healing the divide are gaining traction. Let's just hope the powers that be don't decide to give him lead poisoning like they did his uncle and his father.
- marlor 3y ago
  I was waiting for a conspiracy theory to be woven in there, and you didn’t disappoint.
  - lowkey 3y ago
    Please share, what is the conspiracy theory you reference? Did you know the term "conspiracy theory" was literally invented by the CIA to smear anyone who dared to question the official narrative about the JFK assassination? There is ample evidence in recently released documents on the JFK assassination that Lee Harvey Oswald was working with the CIA before the assassination. [1][2] Does anyone honestly believe that Oswald acted alone? Do you still believe that we invaded Iraq because they had WMD? [1] https://theintercept.com/2022/12/19/lee-harvey-oswald-cia-lsd-jfk/ https://theintercept.com/2022/12/19/lee-harvey-oswald-cia-ls... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/16/us/politics/biden-jfk-assassination-papers.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/16/us/politics/biden-jfk-ass...

jauntywundrkind 3y ago

I liked Krugman using RFK as a reflecting glass from which we could observe & understand the rich. The Rich are Crazier than You And Me: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/06/opinion/robert-kennedy-jr-silicon-valley.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/06/opinion/robert-kennedy-jr... Krugman's emphasis on reflexive contrarianism in this writeup is a powerful illumination of an incredibly potent, present, & chaotic energy of our times. Krugman spends more time talking about Tech Bro ideology than RFK, but I think it's pretty great & tells a real story about a sizable chunk of the world (by dollar value at least). For a much long writeup with much more RFK in it & with less laser targeted West Coast ideology focus, Michelle Goldberg's RFK and the Coalition of the Distrustful is another smash hit. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/30/opinion/robert-f-kennedy-jr-coalition-supporters.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/30/opinion/robert-f-kennedy-...

lowkey 3y ago
Krugman's analytical and predictive record leave much to be desired. I've yet to find a single prediction he made that was accurate in hindsight. I do however, recall this brilliant prediction, among many others: "The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in ‘Metcalfe’s law’—which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants—becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s."

Dig1t 3y ago

I listened to him on Lex and Joe Rogan podcasts. I went from from one end of the spectrum on him to the other in the span of one episode. I started expecting him to be a total crackpot and was surprised at how sensible his ideas were and how clearly he articulated them. I would totally vote for this guy, seems way better than Biden or Trump. I recommend just listening to him with an open mind, seems pretty nice.

gloryjulio 3y ago
This guy? Are you sure? https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/07/rfk-jr-covid-ethnically-targeted https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/07/rfk-jr-covid-ethnica...
- Dig1t 3y ago
  I read his response, seemed pretty reasonable to me. https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1680227322509635595 https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/16802273225096355... >I have never, ever suggested that the COVID-19 virus was targeted to spare Jews. I accurately pointed out — during an off-the-record conversation — that the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons and that a 2021 study of the COVID-19 virus shows that COVID-19 appears to disproportionately affect certain races since the furin cleave docking site is most compatible with Blacks and Caucasians and least compatible with ethnic Chinese, Finns, and Ashkenazi Jews.
  - zimpenfish 3y ago
    C'mon, that's disingenuous bullshit. > I have never, ever suggested that the COVID-19 virus was targeted to spare Jews. You can't say (and these are his own words from the video) "COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese." and then claim the second sentence has no link to the first.
    - lowkey 3y ago
      On the video [0] you can clearly hear him say that he knows a lot about bioweapons because he has been writing a book on the subject for the past 2.5 years. I will assume good faith on your part and therefore infer that you missed the line at 0:30 seconds into the video, immediately before your quote begins where he says "There is an argument that .." There is a huge difference between saying "He claims ..." and saying "He claims there is an argument that ..." It also appears you missed the rest of what he said after you ended your quote, specifically, "We don't know if it was deliberately targeted or not but there are papers out there that show the racial and ethnic differential - and the impact of that. We do know that the Chinese are investing hundreds of millions of dollars to develop bioweapons and that we are investing hundreds of millions of dollars developing bioweapons. That's what all those labs in the Ukraine are about. They are collecting Russian DNA. They are collecting Chinese DNA so we can target people by race." The full quote is therefore, (adding the missing context in italics) "There is an argument that COVID-19 is ethnically targeted. It attacks certain races disproportionately. The races that are most immune to COVID-19 are, because of the genetic differentials among different races of the receptors - of the ACE-2 receptor, COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese - but we don't know if it was deliberately targeted or not but there are papers out there that show the racial and ethnic differential - and the impact of that. We do know that the Chinese are investing hundreds of millions of dollars to develop bioweapons and that we are investing hundreds of millions of dollars developing bioweapons. That's what all those labs in the Ukraine are about. They are collecting Russian DNA. They are collecting Chinese DNA so we can target people by race. " Reading the full quote in context, it is clear he is citing this study [1] which backs up his claims about the differential impact of COVID-19 by race. He also makes it clear in the full quote that "we don't know if it was done intentionally or not" He was clearly mis-quoted out of context in the article. Reading the full quote in context, it is not at all the damning statement you believe it to be. [0] https://twitter.com/ANTlWEF/status/1680476815993741312?s=20 https://twitter.com/ANTlWEF/status/1680476815993741312?s=20 [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32664879/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32664879/

nubinetwork 3y ago

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Dig1t 3y ago
That's the wrong link, this is not a dupe.
- nubinetwork 3y ago
  Thanks, corrected

midoridensha 3y ago

If this nutjob gets the DNC nomination, Trump is going to look like the better choice, even if he has to carry out his term in a prison cell. America is really going off the deep end.

lowkey 3y ago
What makes you think he is a "nut job"? And how do you justify making baseless ad-hominem attacks instead of coherent arguments against his proposed policies or positions. Isn't that kind of smear better suited to Reddit? It is certainly against the Guidelines of this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > What makes you think he is a "nut job"? And how do you justify making baseless ad-hominem attacks instead of coherent arguments against his proposed policies or positions. Isn't that kind of smear better suited to Reddit? It is certainly against the Guidelines of this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html He thinks wifi causes cancer and leaky brains. He doesn't think AIDs is caused by HIV .
  - lowkey 3y ago
    Unlike other controversial topics he has espoused an opinion on, I personally haven’t researched either of those topics so I can be honest with myself and say that I don’t have an informed opinion on either. I can say on other topics he discusses where I am well informed, his positions have always turned out to be well researched, genuine, and logically articulated. This is true even on topics where I disagree with his positions. While we may disagree, I can understand why he may hold his differing views and they alway seem genuine, logical and well reasoned. Unlike many other politicians, he doesn’t make policy decisions based on opinion polls or by parroting the talking points of wealthy donors. His views are genuinely his own, come from a good place and are always well thought out. That is why I am willing to give this man the benefit of the doubt and actively listen to his point of view in his own words - even when what he says doesn’t fit my current worldview. I often learn something new about the issue by listening to him with an open mind. I like that in a candidate and a leader. While I haven’t yet read his book about AIDS and HIV, I do have it on my shelf and fully intend to read it. The book is a best seller, despite getting virtually zero press coverage or reviews from the mainstream media. Also, the book in question, “The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health” literally calls out Fauci - a notable figure, Bill Gates - a billionaire also a notable figure, and Big Pharma - a notoriously well-funded and litigious group, all in the title. I understand the book makes numerous seemingly outrageous and disparaging claims against all these people and groups. I find it particularly notable that he has never been sued for slander over any of the claims in his book by any of them. Why do you think that is? Could it be that the reason for this is that one can only sue for slander in the US if the claims can be proven to be false? Perhaps none of these parties want to take the chance of suing and losing to Kennedy due to the negative attention they would receive if their lawsuits failed for lack of evidence to support a slander suit? It certainly isn’t due to a lack of access to lawyers. In the case of Gates and Big Pharma I would wager they would love to sue him even if it cost them millions just to bankrupt the man in years of litigation. The fact that they haven’t lends me to believe they have absolutely no case because all his claims are well-researched and easily verifiable as true - and so they are unwilling to take him on even if they do outgun him monetarily by 1000 to 1 or more. Because of these reasons, I am willing to be open-minded in the case of seemingly outlandish claims made by a person who has repeatedly demonstrated exceptional courage, integrity and intelligence. No other candidate meets that high bar which is why, as unlikely as it may appear, I am also unwilling to rule out the possibility of Robert F. Kennedy becoming America’s next and best president. You may call me a dreamer, but I’m not the only one. I hope someday that RFK Jr sits in the Oval Office - and the world will be as one. #HealTheDivide

webmobdev 3y ago

I have spoken here today about India's race with Red China. We want India to win that race. We want India to be a free and thriving leader of a free and thriving Asia. But if our interest appears to be purely selfish, anti-Communist and part of the Cold War – if it appears to the Indian people that our motives are purely political – then we shall play into the hands of Communist and neutralist propagandists, cruelly distort America's image abroad, and undo much of the psychological effect that we expect from our generosity. - JFK John F Kennedy made those remarks and I find it remarkably prophetic because after his death, India - US relationship faltered precisely because we indians felt that later US politicians only viewed India through the "purely political" lens of cold war. The impact of it can still be felt today where many Indians feel that US is only seeking a selfish need-based based partnership with India to counter China and not out of any genuine respect which is the basis for any strong relationship. For a foreigner like me, Robert F Kennedy's political ideas does seem like a breath of fresh air among the current crop of stale US politicians and their stunted political values. He seems to be the only one who recognizes that the US needs to fix its fractured polity and reach some semblance of political understanding with the opposition (unlike others who think it is "unfixable") and end the "us" vs "them" narration that both major party's now increasingly depend on. His subscription to JFK's political vision and values and his pragmatic pacifist-leaning ideas are obviously welcome in a world increasingly divided. As JFK noted: The Free World cannot shame Russia and China into freedom – but it can inspire democracy to enrich its own freedoms. Freedom's banner will be vindicated or lost not by the test of military strength alone – but by the purity and passion of our commitment to democracy, by our dedication to the advancing hopes of new nations, and by our determination to prove that freedom can lift the haggard burden of poverty from desolate lands. We have not yet conquered the frontiers of fear. But neither have we yet fully explored the horizons of hope. - JFK If RFK is genuine about the political values he espouses, I sincerely feel that India and US (under Robert F Kennedy as President) can become true ideological allies. (JFK source - https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/india-and-the-us-conference-washington-dc-19590504 https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-k... ).

dang 3y ago

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asadotzler 3y ago

"the rich SV people I so desperately admire are excited about RFKJr so I will be too" is exactly the hackernews take I expected and got, especially from that lowkey bootlicker.

lowkey 3y ago
To be fair, I went down the RFK Jr rabbit hole before he went on the All-in podcast - so thought leader? It’s no secret I am a huge fan of him, not so much the rich VC schmucks tho.