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No. The problem is that fundamentally, you and people like you decided that authortiarianism is ok if the gov says "things are scary" and everyone should suffer

No. The problem is that fundamentally, you and people like you decided that authortiarianism is ok if the gov says "things are scary" and everyone should suffer the consequences. No debate allowed. The risk profile for people was always ridículous and you were never going to contain it once it was widespread, which it was, but somehow we believed in the rolling "it's just 2 weeks". 1) it wasn't short term. It wasn't safety. Short and long term you hurt the vulnerable and you helped the rich and powerful. 2) Rich places will keep being richer and poor places poorer, and when the powers that be decided that enough was enough, all the concerns of the hypochondriacs suddenly didn't matter. You could tell, if you paid attention, that politicians weren't afraid after the initial surge, but wanted "the masses" to be. You even have definite proof in many places, one of them being UK and number 10. Can't link it now, sorry. But Google downing Street covid rules or something on that note and you can probably find a lot. It wasn't limited to the UK. It was everywhere you looked properly. You were scammed and you either were well off and didn't mind that much or you want to pretend you weren't for your own mental health. Because the truth is a hard pill to swallow.

LorenPechtel 3y ago
Most places threw in the towel when Omicron came along, it was simply too infectious for containment measures to work. However, the same mutation that increased it's spread also reduced it's lethality. The end result was approximately halving the death toll, plus delaying a lot of infections until after the vaccine was available also cut the death toll considerably. All in all millions of lives were saved by the measures you shun. And it's not a matter of wanting the masses to be scared. Rather, the pattern I have seen again and again of people treating those they regard as good people as safe. That's been the huge chink in the armor against Covid all along. Doctors mostly got infected from coworkers, not patients because they were careful around patients and let down their guard in non-patient areas.
- isaacremuant 3y ago
  That's not true. Most places still had vaccine mandates with Omicron and heavily propagandized hatred and segregation. We always knew how Natural immunizaty worked and Omicron was easy to predict, but in 2020 it was a conspiracy theory to mention natural immunity. > The end result was approximately halving the death toll, plus delaying a lot of infections until after the vaccine was available also cut the death toll considerably. All in all millions of lives were saved by the measures you shun The halved death toll is a beautiful fabrication of yours. not at all supported by looking at excess deaths, which is another analysis that was frowned upon and ignored while implementing Draconian measures. You didn't really saved much, you pretend you did and the excesss deaths are now more, funny that. Also, all the suicides, backlogged patients who didn't get treatment in time (cancer deaths) and the indirect deaths and lowered quality of life due to economic impact that disproportionately affects the least wealthy, that's all ignored for the hypothetical "my elephant repellent worked". > And it's not a matter of wanting the masses to be scared. WhatsApp messages between politicians and very obvious propaganda (see NHS) Zwith people on respirators say otherwise. >Rather, the pattern I have seen again and again of people treating those they regard as good people as safe. That's been the huge chink in the armor against Covid all along. Doctors mostly got infected from coworkers, not patients because they were careful around patients and let down their guard in non-patient areas. I don't even know what you're talking about here. "Letting the guard down" was always a ridiculous thing when your "guard up" is unscientific and authoritarian hygiene theater. Your politicians didn't care for it but would send the police so you would.

LorenPechtel 3y ago

Most places threw in the towel when Omicron came along, it was simply too infectious for containment measures to work. However, the same mutation that increased it's spread also reduced it's lethality. The end result was approximately halving the death toll, plus delaying a lot of infections until after the vaccine was available also cut the death toll considerably. All in all millions of lives were saved by the measures you shun. And it's not a matter of wanting the masses to be scared. Rather, the pattern I have seen again and again of people treating those they regard as good people as safe. That's been the huge chink in the armor against Covid all along. Doctors mostly got infected from coworkers, not patients because they were careful around patients and let down their guard in non-patient areas.

isaacremuant 3y ago
That's not true. Most places still had vaccine mandates with Omicron and heavily propagandized hatred and segregation. We always knew how Natural immunizaty worked and Omicron was easy to predict, but in 2020 it was a conspiracy theory to mention natural immunity. > The end result was approximately halving the death toll, plus delaying a lot of infections until after the vaccine was available also cut the death toll considerably. All in all millions of lives were saved by the measures you shun The halved death toll is a beautiful fabrication of yours. not at all supported by looking at excess deaths, which is another analysis that was frowned upon and ignored while implementing Draconian measures. You didn't really saved much, you pretend you did and the excesss deaths are now more, funny that. Also, all the suicides, backlogged patients who didn't get treatment in time (cancer deaths) and the indirect deaths and lowered quality of life due to economic impact that disproportionately affects the least wealthy, that's all ignored for the hypothetical "my elephant repellent worked". > And it's not a matter of wanting the masses to be scared. WhatsApp messages between politicians and very obvious propaganda (see NHS) Zwith people on respirators say otherwise. >Rather, the pattern I have seen again and again of people treating those they regard as good people as safe. That's been the huge chink in the armor against Covid all along. Doctors mostly got infected from coworkers, not patients because they were careful around patients and let down their guard in non-patient areas. I don't even know what you're talking about here. "Letting the guard down" was always a ridiculous thing when your "guard up" is unscientific and authoritarian hygiene theater. Your politicians didn't care for it but would send the police so you would.