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For the engineers who have many years of experience working both remote and on site - how do you compare the pace of learning from your peers and forming meanin

For the engineers who have many years of experience working both remote and on site - how do you compare the pace of learning from your peers and forming meaningful bonds?

orwin 3y ago
Depends. Pace of learning, remote is definitely faster than open space, because regular 1 on 1 are needed often for the first 2 months imho for a good onboarding, and you cannot have deep 1 on 1 in open space. If you have a real office, probably the same? Bonding depends very much in the characters. One of my current coworker has a personality that reminds me of one of my best friend. I guess I could attribute the fact that we bonded faster to 4.5 WFH days compared to 2.5 at my previous company, but that would be disingenuous. One benefit though is that I can invite my coworker/friend and his SO to spend a week at my place, in a coastal city and bond over catamaran outings rather than around a beer.
- kulikalov 3y ago
  Learning remotely is faster? I thought it’s the same as remote plus extra experience from having work related conversations over the lunchtime
  - orwin 3y ago
    I'm not a junior dev. I do not benefit a lot from lunchtime conversations about python 10 implementation of match case or why react FP tools are more efficient than it's OOP tools. What I benefit from is going deep into the 'why' and 'how'. Sometimes it's just a clarification (I try to package them to avoid multiple interruptions), sometimes it require a two hour dive, starting dev Ec2s and plunge into a DB. I'm going on-site twice a month, so I know it's way easier to learn something w/o distractions. I tried to keep working on a complex task two months ago while in office, the loudness made me a X0.1 dev. It managed to get me really angry for the first time in months, without my gym or to work it out. Nowadays I only take documentation/boilerplate or easy coding tasks that doesn't require to read code for 3-4 hours straight when going to the office. It's too inefficient otherwise. I think I prefer working while in the train tbh.
sleepybrett 3y ago
The most lasting and deep co-worker peer bonds I have were all formed during remote work. Office work and commutes make me want to 'punch out' when the little hand is on the 5 and not think about work for the rest of the night. It doesn't help that 'random conversation' is heavily frowned upon in most open office environments due to potentially distracting people nearby. When I pair with my coworkers over zoom/voice though it's hardly a concern... waiting for builds/tests to run chat about a hobby or the movie you saw last night or some new tech you've been looking at. In an open office that starts to get you scowls even if you are sitting at some slightly further away from the 'pit' pairing station.

For the engineers who have many years of experience working both remote and on site - how do you compare the pace of learning from your peers and forming meaningful bonds?

orwin 3y ago

Depends. Pace of learning, remote is definitely faster than open space, because regular 1 on 1 are needed often for the first 2 months imho for a good onboarding, and you cannot have deep 1 on 1 in open space. If you have a real office, probably the same? Bonding depends very much in the characters. One of my current coworker has a personality that reminds me of one of my best friend. I guess I could attribute the fact that we bonded faster to 4.5 WFH days compared to 2.5 at my previous company, but that would be disingenuous. One benefit though is that I can invite my coworker/friend and his SO to spend a week at my place, in a coastal city and bond over catamaran outings rather than around a beer.

kulikalov 3y ago
Learning remotely is faster? I thought it’s the same as remote plus extra experience from having work related conversations over the lunchtime
- orwin 3y ago
  I'm not a junior dev. I do not benefit a lot from lunchtime conversations about python 10 implementation of match case or why react FP tools are more efficient than it's OOP tools. What I benefit from is going deep into the 'why' and 'how'. Sometimes it's just a clarification (I try to package them to avoid multiple interruptions), sometimes it require a two hour dive, starting dev Ec2s and plunge into a DB. I'm going on-site twice a month, so I know it's way easier to learn something w/o distractions. I tried to keep working on a complex task two months ago while in office, the loudness made me a X0.1 dev. It managed to get me really angry for the first time in months, without my gym or to work it out. Nowadays I only take documentation/boilerplate or easy coding tasks that doesn't require to read code for 3-4 hours straight when going to the office. It's too inefficient otherwise. I think I prefer working while in the train tbh.

sleepybrett 3y ago

The most lasting and deep co-worker peer bonds I have were all formed during remote work. Office work and commutes make me want to 'punch out' when the little hand is on the 5 and not think about work for the rest of the night. It doesn't help that 'random conversation' is heavily frowned upon in most open office environments due to potentially distracting people nearby. When I pair with my coworkers over zoom/voice though it's hardly a concern... waiting for builds/tests to run chat about a hobby or the movie you saw last night or some new tech you've been looking at. In an open office that starts to get you scowls even if you are sitting at some slightly further away from the 'pit' pairing station.