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The amount of equity a society enforces should be inversely proportional to age. If a kindergartener is unable to succeed, we need to give them extra help. If a

The amount of equity a society enforces should be inversely proportional to age. If a kindergartener is unable to succeed, we need to give them extra help. If a 45 year old is unable to succeed, they had their chances and it's their fault.

Nevermark 3y ago
Even if an older person’s situation is largely not their fault, it is much more difficult to correct, and society’s benefit for its investment is much lower. On ramps for everyone are important, but as you say, far far more important and effective in people’s early years.
- t-3 3y ago
  Children need to be educated well and given opportunities to guarantee the future of society, but ensuring adults are content or at least able to support themselves is important for stability today. More un/under-employed/unemployable people means more crime and social unrest, retarding growth and costing more resources than would have been spent supporting them.
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DropInIn 3y ago
It's thier fault if we never gave the support in K-12? You do see the glaring failure in your "reasoning", right?
- RecycledEle 3y ago
  I agree with you that I was wrong to say "It's their fault." There are people who get screwed by life. The main way they got screwed was when life taught them whining was better than working hard. We need to stop screwing people that way. We need to hold a hard line on the principle that they can succeed or fail in a free market, and we will not reward whining. This means eliminating all entitlements for adults. I'll help kids learn to be successful adult. I'm a teacher, that's what I do. Let the kids and their families pick their schools from any school they can get to, including online schools. I will not help some whiny adult who can not even train themselves when they have Internet access. If you give money to whiny adults, who do you take it from? Do you take it from long-term investments in education? Do you take it from long term investments in our economy like paying off our national debt? Our (US) national debt eliminates many options we would otherwise have. It is more compassionate to provide the best education we can to the children, and let the adults pay for themselves. Long-term benefits should outweigh short-term benefits. A society that educates and raises its children to be productive, the provides a free market will outperform a society that rewards whining.
  - DropInIn 3y ago
    Tell me you're privileged and don't actually have empathy in a long winded diatribe < that's not what I asked for but that's what you gave me....
sfn42 3y ago
Plenty of kids are just stupid.
- RecycledEle 3y ago
  Plenty of kids get away with being stupid. If those same kids knew that they would have to provide for themselves once they turned 18, they would be studying and learning to work. A welfare society trains children to be stupid. A free market trains children to work.
  - sfn42 3y ago
    Intelligence and education are different things. You can't train intelligence - you can teach some tools or frameworks for reasoning and such and that can help but some people will understand them and others won't. As a simple example just look at how many people think math is useless. Even having spent 10+ years with people trying to bash it into their heads they still can't figure out any of the infinitely many useful things you can do with math. Education is the result, intelligence is potential. Stupid people have less potential for results. Doesn't mean some of them can't pull a Forrest Gump, nor that they aren't valuable members of society. Just means they suck at learning (at least some) things so their time is better spent doing other stuff.
- nradov 3y ago
  Plenty of kids aren't able to perform well in institutionalized schools. The root cause is seldom stupidity.

Nevermark 3y ago

Even if an older person’s situation is largely not their fault, it is much more difficult to correct, and society’s benefit for its investment is much lower. On ramps for everyone are important, but as you say, far far more important and effective in people’s early years.

t-3 3y ago
Children need to be educated well and given opportunities to guarantee the future of society, but ensuring adults are content or at least able to support themselves is important for stability today. More un/under-employed/unemployable people means more crime and social unrest, retarding growth and costing more resources than would have been spent supporting them.

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DropInIn 3y ago

It's thier fault if we never gave the support in K-12? You do see the glaring failure in your "reasoning", right?

RecycledEle 3y ago
I agree with you that I was wrong to say "It's their fault." There are people who get screwed by life. The main way they got screwed was when life taught them whining was better than working hard. We need to stop screwing people that way. We need to hold a hard line on the principle that they can succeed or fail in a free market, and we will not reward whining. This means eliminating all entitlements for adults. I'll help kids learn to be successful adult. I'm a teacher, that's what I do. Let the kids and their families pick their schools from any school they can get to, including online schools. I will not help some whiny adult who can not even train themselves when they have Internet access. If you give money to whiny adults, who do you take it from? Do you take it from long-term investments in education? Do you take it from long term investments in our economy like paying off our national debt? Our (US) national debt eliminates many options we would otherwise have. It is more compassionate to provide the best education we can to the children, and let the adults pay for themselves. Long-term benefits should outweigh short-term benefits. A society that educates and raises its children to be productive, the provides a free market will outperform a society that rewards whining.
- DropInIn 3y ago
  Tell me you're privileged and don't actually have empathy in a long winded diatribe < that's not what I asked for but that's what you gave me....

sfn42 3y ago

Plenty of kids are just stupid.

RecycledEle 3y ago
Plenty of kids get away with being stupid. If those same kids knew that they would have to provide for themselves once they turned 18, they would be studying and learning to work. A welfare society trains children to be stupid. A free market trains children to work.
- sfn42 3y ago
  Intelligence and education are different things. You can't train intelligence - you can teach some tools or frameworks for reasoning and such and that can help but some people will understand them and others won't. As a simple example just look at how many people think math is useless. Even having spent 10+ years with people trying to bash it into their heads they still can't figure out any of the infinitely many useful things you can do with math. Education is the result, intelligence is potential. Stupid people have less potential for results. Doesn't mean some of them can't pull a Forrest Gump, nor that they aren't valuable members of society. Just means they suck at learning (at least some) things so their time is better spent doing other stuff.
nradov 3y ago
Plenty of kids aren't able to perform well in institutionalized schools. The root cause is seldom stupidity.